The difference between Mayweather and real ATG

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by THE BLADE 2, Sep 22, 2009.


  1. curly

    curly Fastest hands in the West Full Member

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    No one from my gym thought that that decision was wrong.
     
  2. JML

    JML Active Member Full Member

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    By the timE mayweather went up to 154 he was fighting at welterweight only 7 pounds. MORON
     
  3. masterold

    masterold Active Member Full Member

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    He always seems to take on people moving up to his weight doesn't pick on the naturally bigger guys?

    Apart from Marquez & Hatton, who has moved up to to his weight to fight him?
     
  4. DonPrestige

    DonPrestige Active Member Full Member

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    Is this thread serious.

    He's won six world titles in 5 different weight classes. How many of the guys you mention did that.

    Did you seriously put the walking dough boy Toney in there. Have you compared There records as of late.

    Sorry, I'd rather have a Floyd at Welter in fantastic shape than a Fat Toney taking on heavyweights.

    Lastly people keep mentioning Hatton and Marquez. Have you only just started watching boxing in the last four years, two of which he was retired.

    Lets see - DLH, Baldomir, Judah, Mitchell, Gatti, Corley, Castillio, Corrales.

    How many of these guys were moving up to face him. Zero, actually it was the other way around. If your going to criticize someone atleast look at their whole resume.

    In his last 4 fights 2 fighters were bigger than him and the other two were smaller but both on the p4p lists. One of which was not only king of the division below but also had campaigned at welterweight.

    Thread = Fail
     
  5. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He may have won titles in multiple weight classes. But they make a weight class for every 4 pounds in the lower classes.

    The actual jump in weight is small like I said:

    From 130 - 147: weight gap 17 pounds and he has not faced the best guys yet.Guys like Hearns, Duran, Toney did.

    IMO, Toney has a better resume than PBF.As you noticed, Toney is not afraid to take on natural bigger men. PBF has been more consistent throughout his career. Both are low TOP 100 ATG (between spot 60 - 80), I don't want to enter in a debate now who should rank higher because that is not the thread.
     
  6. JML

    JML Active Member Full Member

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    Ok fair enough, just in his fight for p4p supremacy but he hardly had step up for Judah he is a small welterweight. And only lately is he a natural welter with age he would strugle to be fit any lower than welter he couldn't even make 144 Last week. But I do understand where I went wrong.
     
  7. DonPrestige

    DonPrestige Active Member Full Member

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    But to make your point, you are conveniently leaving out 154 which makes it 24 pounds. He only had 2-3 fights at welter before taking on Oscar who weighed around 160.You and others say he hasnt faced the best guys. From the Hatton I would say you were right. He moved up to welter weight and faced both the previous division champ and the guy that took his crown. At this point Mosley had already turned him down and was fighting at 154. Cotto was moving up and Arum had already said no to that fight. Williams was still on his way up.

    Marg was the only real option for him but with DLH fight there it was obvious what fight made sense. The big money fight with the sports hero and a guy he'd been chasing since 135. Now after this Williams had shcoked Marg. Mosley fight wasnt on. Only option is Cotto which means going through Arum or fight the undefeated 140 king who had also turned you down previously, is in the top 10 p4p rankings in a huge money fight. What make sense.

    My point, I'd be making the same choices. Now from here on out if his next fight isnt against either Pac/Cotto/Shane/Marg/Williams then people will have a point on him ducking good fighters but until then.
     
  8. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    :rofl But it was De La Hoya for MILLIONS of dollars. An automatic free ride to one of the biggest stages in pro sport. Who wouldn't have moved up for De La Hoya?? Even that doesn't hold water. Anyway... Floyd is frustrating with this because he has the tools and the overall package to beat guys far bigger than he. There are very few fighters that have been in this sport that would be as successful as Floyd Mayweather climbing weight classes. That's the crime in it.
     
  9. DonPrestige

    DonPrestige Active Member Full Member

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    So now beating the guy at 154 means nothing because he got paid for it? What happened to the point that Mayweather cherry picks to keep his 0.

    Now he's throwing it all on the line to earn money with complete disregard for his record.

    Seriously the guy cant win with boxing fans like this. I respect anybodys views as long as its based on valid points and stays consistent acroos the board. But without insulting the poster above its these conflicting arguments which just create forums full of absolute tripe.
     
  10. JML

    JML Active Member Full Member

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    Ok DonPrestige I'll agree it's just I would like him to fight one of the fighters u mentioned, he said he fought marquez cuz he called him out now mosley has so I would like them to fight
     
  11. DonPrestige

    DonPrestige Active Member Full Member

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    Totally understand.

    After Mosley getting in the ring on Saturday I'd be up for that fight too.

    But if Pac wins against Cotto that is the fight that once again makes sense.
     
  12. DonPrestige

    DonPrestige Active Member Full Member

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    Only problem with Mosley is that he has little leverage.

    He already turned down a Mayweather fight in public. And the best win he has recently is over a discredited Marg whose own win over Cotto is in dispute. Which would leave Marg being beaten by Williams and two wins over Cintron who isnt an elite fighter.

    Add that to Mosley being beaten by Cotto and he startes to look less attractive.

    He should fight Clottey and wait for whoever wins the p4p sweep stakes between Cotto/Pac/Maywetaher as a retirement fight. Only risk is Clottey could beat him and that would effectively end his chances of a big pay day.
     
  13. Above Deck

    Above Deck Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Floyd dont have to move up in weight to solidify his resume..

    So long as Mayweather doesnt retire, he will give the critics
    a chance to eat their words - and thats a given, it must
    pain the knockers to know that PBF has came back as an
    improved fighter who believes he has a lot more improvement
    on top of that.

    Mayweather looks to have it all, its going to take a slick
    fighter to beat Floyd.

    Hopefully Pac and Floyd eventuates, boxing needs it..
    Pac just has to bring his form in against a real fighter in Cotto,
    and if he can, then its going to be a hell of a fight against PBF.
     
  14. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    You're a thickheaded fool to miss that point. This is a discussion about RISK.

    Did I say it means "nothing?" Spare me the melodrama, honey. :emma Keep that ****.
     
  15. JML

    JML Active Member Full Member

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    I don't think any1 can deny PBF talent he is an amazing fighter it's his attitude outside the ring y people don't like him. How good he could be if he took on the current top welterweights in honesty he prob would win but even if he did lose I would respect him for taking the fights