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Money Mayweather voted p4p1 by over 20 sports writers!

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mike464 Boxing Addict Full Member

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Paul Williams at 3? That's a joke. He's never even won a world title.

Wlad in the top 10? He fights in the worst division, against the weakest opponents and wins as unconvincingly as possible. How the hell is he in the top 10.

This list is a joke.

mike464, Sep 25, 2009

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Change the ****ing record!

JudgeDredd, Sep 25, 2009

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MIP4P1 said: ↑

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Points: 266 (15 of 28 first-place votes)
Record: 40-0 (25 KOs)
Title: No title
Last outing: W12 over No. 6 Juan Manuel Marquez on Sept. 19
Previous ranking: Unranked
Up next: Nothing scheduled
Analysis: Was brilliant in one-sided beatdown

2. Manny Pacquiao
Points: 265 (13 of 28 first-place votes)
Record: 49-3-2 (37 KOs)
Title: Ring Magazine super lightweight champion
Last outing: TKO2 over Ricky Hatton on May 2
Previous ranking: 1
Up next: vs. No. 7 Miguel Cotto on Nov. 14
Analysis: A Pacquiao-Mayweather fight in 2010 could be the richest bout ever

3. Paul Williams
Points: 180
Record: 37-1 (27 KOs)
Title: Interim WBO junior middleweight champion
Last outing: W12 over Winky Wright on April 11
Previous ranking: 3
Up next: vs. Kelly Pavlik on Dec. 5
Analysis: Can fight and compete in three divisions simultaneously?

4. (tie) Bernard Hopkins
Points: 155
Record: 49-5-1 (32 KOs)
Title: Ring light heavyweight champion
Last outing: W12 over Kelly Pavlik on Oct. 18
Previous ranking: 4
Up next: TBA
Analysis: Trying but failing to land a significant fight

4. (tie) Shane Mosley
Points: 155
Record: 46-5 (39 KOs)
Title: WBA welterweight champion
Last outing: TKO9 over Antonio Margarito on Jan. 24
Previous ranking: 5
Up next: Welterweight unification fight with Andre Berto in January
Analysis: On outside looking in on Pacquiao, Mayweather sweepstakes

6. Juan Manuel Marquez
Points: 147
Record: 50-5-1 (37 KOs)
Title: WBA, WBO, Ring lightweight champion
Last outing: L12 to No. 1 Floyd Mayweather Jr. on Sept. 19
Previous ranking: 2
Up next: Nothing scheduled
Analysis: Had nothing to offer against Mayweather

7. Miguel Cotto
Points: 129
Record: 34-1 (27 KOs)
Title: WBO welterweight champion
Last outing: W12 over Joshua Clottey on June 13
Previous ranking: 6
Up next: vs. No. 1 Manny Pacquiao on Nov. 14 in Las Vegas
Analysis: Showed much moxie fighting for 10 rounds with deep gash above eye.

8. (tie) Chad Dawson
Points: 53
Record: 28-0 (17 KOs)
Title: IBF light heavyweight champion
Last outing: W12 over Antonio Tarver on May 9
Previous ranking: 7
Up next: Rematch with Glen Johnson on Nov. 7 in Hartford, Conn.
Analysis: Hopes to make statement with clear win over veteran Johnson

8. (tie) Juan Manuel Lopez
Points: 38
Record: 26-0 (24 KOs)
Title: WBO super bantamweight champion
Last outing: TKO9 Olivier Lontchi on June 27
Previous ranking: 10
Up next: Vs. Rogers Mtgawa on Oct. 10 in New York
Analysis: Fast climbing power-puncher

10. Wladimir Klitschko
Points: 35
Record: 53-3 (47 KOs)
Titles: IBF, WBO heavyweight champion
Last outing: TKO9 over Ruslan Chagaev on June 20
Previous ranking: NR
Up next: Nothing scheduled
Analysis: Recovering from surgery and wont fight until early 2010

Others receiving votes: Ivan Calderon 31; Rafael Marquez 24; Arthur Abraham 20; Chris John, 11; Nonito Donaire 5; Timothy Bradley, Mikkel Kessler, Vitali Klitschko 4; Celestino Caballero 2; Hozumi Hasegawa 1.

Voting panel: Raul Alzaga, Primera Hora; Carlos Arias, Orange County Register; Ron Borges, Boston Herald; Steve Cofield, Yahoo! Sports; Dave Cokin, ESPN Radio 1100, Las Vegas; Brian Doogan, London Sunday Times; Andrew Eisele, About.com; Scott Fyfe, Sunday Post, Scotland; Thomas Gerbasi, ***********.com; Lee Groves, MaxBoxing.com; Thomas Hauser, Seconds Out.com; Keith Idec, Herald News, New Jersey; Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports; Michael Katz, Gaming Today; Scott Mallon, Asian Boxing News.com; Rich Marotta, KLAC-AM; David Mayo, Grand Rapids Press; Franklin McNeil, Newark Star Ledger; Gunnar Meinhardt, Die Welt; Robert Morales, Los Angeles Daily News; Kieran Mulvaney, Reuters; Santos Perez, Miami Herald; Martin Rogers, Yahoo! Sports; Tim Smith, New York Daily News; T.K. Stewart, ***********.com; Paul Upham, Seconds Out.com; John Whisler, San Antonio Express-News; George Willis, New York Post.
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How many of these "sports writers" were NOT American?

El Cepillo, Sep 25, 2009

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careful guys.

the thread starter is prolly posting all this junk from inside a mental hospital.

PildiLagiMo, Sep 25, 2009

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puga_ni_nana Dempsey Roll Full Member

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pacquiao should just cancel the cotto fight, fight rafael marquez by making him come up to 135 pounds and reclaim the #1 p4p ranking by dominating the little guy.

puga_ni_nana, Sep 25, 2009

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He is the #1 P4P fighter in the world right now.

bald_head_slick, Sep 25, 2009

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A bunch of american sports writers voting for floyd mayweather to be the number one p4p fighter....

BIG SURPRISE

ricardoparker93, Sep 25, 2009

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thanosone said: ↑

Mayweather just fought a fighter way smaller than him. That's the opposite of p4p.
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True, but when he retired after demolishing Hatton there was a big gap between him & every other boxer in the sport... he looked the exact same fighter vs Marquez & as said already, p4p is opinion & in my opinion Mayweather is the best fighter in any division.

If p4p was an official belt then it would be only fair for Pacquiao to remain p4p no1 & FMJ would have to at least have a few more proving fights or win a h2h vs Manny to reclaim that title but p4p is an opinion & IMO the Mayweather that left the sport in 07 was better than any version of Pacman... & as I said already, FMJ looks the exact same fighter so he is the p4p no1 in my eyes.

A FMJ v Pac clash is needed big time to settle all disputes tho - if Pac gets by Cotto (very tough fight)

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Bill Butcher, Sep 25, 2009

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PugilisticPower said: ↑

Funny how when the odds were the other way with Oscar, it didn't effect Floyd, isn't it?
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It did effect the fight. It was competitive, unlike last weeks trash. And it was a SD !!!

maryann said: ↑

Im sure my opinion on Mayweathers 147-pound ranking will be interpreted as more May-hatin by his delusional hardcore fans..................

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Damn you floydlickers have made it big time. They even include you in editorials.

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I like that list and Floyd is definitely P4P. The SMW tourney will impact that top 10.

The_Chesco_Kid, Sep 25, 2009

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its clear r3egardless of ne rankings that Floyd is easily the best boxer in the world....he'll fight Shane soon and Pac and than nobody can say nothing after that!

sdsfinest22, Sep 25, 2009

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sdsfinest22 said: ↑

its clear r3egardless of ne rankings that Floyd is easily the best boxer in the world....he'll fight Shane soon and Pac and than nobody can say nothing after that!
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Unless of course he pulls a RJJ and gets flattened !!!

badger6, Sep 25, 2009

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until he earns it mayweather is #2. end of

Jorodz, Sep 25, 2009

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until he earns it mayweather is #2. end of
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Like the article says, Cotto has a better resume and floyd "slacker" mayweather retired. Mayweather should be at 3-4 P4P @ best !!!

badger6, Sep 25, 2009

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The Ring ranking:

P4P - 2. floyd
WW - 2. floyd

A writer's argument:

Floyd Mayweather Jr.s dominating unanimous decision over Juan Manuel Marquez was impressive.

I thought the former five-division titleholder controlled every second of every minute of every round against one of the sports elite fighters. However, I never lost sight of the fact that Marquez is a lightweight, which put Mayweathers win in its proper perspective.

As a comeback fight it was a tremendous victory that demonstrated that Mayweather hasnt lost any of the speed, reflexes and defensive prowess that made him one of the top fighters of the past two decades. As excellent as Marquez was at 126, 130 and 135 pounds, though, he was nothing special at welterweight.

A victory over Marquez at welterweight should not catapult any fighter up THE RINGs 147-pound and pound-for-pound rankings, but thats just what happened to Mayweather in this weeks updated RING Ratings.

To paraphrase Roy Jones Jr. -- who preceded Mayweather as the American boxer everyone overrated because of uncanny athletic ability and careful matchmaking -- I think my colleagues at THE RING musta forgot that Marquez is a lightweight (even though he holds the magazines 135-pound title).

Thats the only way I can fathom THE RING editorial boards ranking Mayweather No. 2 at welterweight, which displaced Miguel Cotto, and No. 2 in the magazines pound-for-pound Ratings, a spot held by Marquez.

I disagree with both RING ratings, particularly Mayweathers divisional placement.

Before I go any further, allow me to make a few things clear.

Although I'm the Co-Editor of RingTV.com (the official website of THE RING) I am not part of the magazine's editorial board, which compiles the weekly ratings. RingTV.com Co-Editor Michael Rosenthal and I are part of THE RING Ratings Panel of boxing journalists who are welcome to give their two cents on the magazine's rankings, but we do not have the final word on who goes where in the ratings.

Now that I've cleared that up let me state that I don't think the editorial board is completely out of line for ranking Mayweather where they did. I just don't agree with it.

Im not saying that Mayweather isnt an elite fighter or that he shouldnt be considered a major player at welterweight. Hes definitely one of the best boxers on the planet and one of the top 147-pound fighters.

I just think THE RING is rating him too high after nearly two years away from the sport and after a performance -- that I admit was near perfect from a technical aspect -- against a boxer who was unproven at the weight the fight took place as well as the division below it.

And I hope this doesnt sound like Im disrespecting Marquez or down-playing his ability as a fighter, Im not.

Let me put this way:

If Chad Dawson, a fabulously talented light heavyweight titleholder who has never fought at cruiserweight or heavyweight, took on THE RINGs No. 10-rated heavyweight, Kevin Johnson, and lost a one-sided decision to the naturally bigger man, do you think Johnson would deserve to shoot up the magazines heavyweight rankings?

I dont. It doesnt matter how talented and accomplished Dawson is. Hes not a heavyweight.

Cotto is a top welterweight who is also considered to be a pound-for-pound-level fighter, however, hes never fought at junior middleweight or middleweight. If he challenged middleweight champ Kelly Pavlik and got trounced, would Pavliks victory merit his pound-for-pound inclusion?

I dont think so. I thought the pound-for-pound rankings were for fighters who challenged themselves. Thats usually done by going up in weight and defeating naturally bigger opponents, not by picking on guys who are two weight classes smaller.

Guess what, folks, thats what Mayweather did by fighting Marquez. He picked on a little guy, and THE RING rewarded him for it.

I dont think its fair to Cotto, who earned his 147-pound ranking by fighting -- get this -- WELTERWEIGHTS, most of whom are pretty darn good.

I dont think its fair to Marquez, who literally clawed his way up the pound-for-pound rankings by leaving the 126-pound division to fight the best fighters at 130 and 135 pounds and defeating them all with the exception of current pound-for-pound king Manny Pacquiao, who he dropped a disputed split decision to last March.

I dont think its fair to the fighters who were moved down the RINGs rankings -- or in the case of Paul Williams, who was No. 10 in the magazines pound-for-pound ratings, moved OUT -- due to Mayweathers reinstatement.

Think about that for a minute. Williams, a three-division threat who is willing to fight anyone, any time at any weight, was pushed out of THE RINGs pound-for-pound ratings by a boxer who refuses to challenge himself.

How sad.

The weekly RING Ratings updates that are sent to Rosenthal and I from the magazines editorial board are usually accompanied by an email of notes and statements from RING Editor Nigel Collins, who had this to say about the new welterweight rankings:

Floyd Mayweather returns to the divisional rankings as the No. 2 contender at 147 pounds, while his former rival Zab Judah (No. 9 last week), who has gone 4-3 with 1 no-contest in his eight most-recent bouts, exits. Besides his comeback victory over Juan Manuel Marquez, Mayweathers previous work at welterweight was taken into consideration.

While Im glad Judah is finally out of the welterweight picture, I dont believe that Mayweathers humiliation of Marquez and his previous work at 147 pounds equals what Cotto has done in the division.

Lets take a quick look at what both men have accomplished at welterweight.

Since entering the 147-pound division in December of 2006, Cotto has fought eight times against six RING-rated welterweight contenders -- including Carlos Quintana, Shane Mosley, Antonio Margarito, and Joshua Clottey (all of whom are still rated). Cottos record against the RING-rated contenders is 5-1, the lone loss being his 11th-round TKO to Margarito last July that is now in question following the Mexicans hand-wraps scandal from earlier this year.

Since entering the 147-pound division in November of 2005, Mayweather has fought six times against two fighters who were rated by THE RING at welterweight, Judah and Carlos Baldomir (neither of whom are currently rated). Mayweather defeated Baldomir for the RINGs welterweight title and defended it once, against Ricky Hatton, THE RINGs 140-pound champ who was unrated at 147 pounds.

Between Mayweathers fights with Baldomir and Hatton, he took on and defeated Oscar De La Hoya at junior middleweight. While, the combination of winning the welterweight title, beating a legend for a 154-pound belt, and then knocking out a then-undefeated 140-pound champ fueled Mayweathers case for being the sports pound-for-pound king, it did little to enhance his standing as the 147-pound champ.

Leaving the ring for 21 months and returning to beat the lightweight champ shouldnt be enough for him to unseat Cotto in THE RINGs No. 2 spot.

It says here that crushing Quintana (who was undefeated at the time and went on to upset Williams), wearing down Judah to a late stoppage, outpointing Mosley, going to war with Margarito (who possibly had loaded gloves) for 10½ rounds and beating Clottey with one eye is more meaningful at 147 pounds than decisioning Judah, Baldomir, De La Hoya (then THE RINGs No. 5 junior middleweight) and stopping Hatton late.

Again, its not that I dont think that Mayweather is one of the best welterweights in the world; I just dont believe hes beaten enough quality 147 pounders to unseat Cotto.

I would have put Mayweather at No. 3, which would have displaced Clottey, or better yet at No. 4, which would replace Margarito (who shouldnt even be rated given his situation).

Im sure my opinion on Mayweathers 147-pound ranking will be interpreted as more May-hatin by his delusional hardcore following but I want to clarify that Im not saying the former welterweight champ is not as good as Cotto, or even Mosley, the magazines No. 1-rated contender. He might be better than both.

However, before I rank him above those two I want him to prove it by beating them in the ring or by taking on the number of RING-rated welterweight contenders they did in earning their placement.

Is that unreasonable?
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That was well said

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