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Flea is going to love this.

 

He twice offered Ray Robinson the highest purse of his career only to be refused. I'm sorry, that the fight didn't come off is noone's fault but Robinson's.

Also, you obviously haven't done much research into his resume. Despite the fact that he was often ducked, he still beat a slew of great fighters and proved himself more than conclusively. He just never got the fights that could've really proved him among the greatest of all time. As it was, he was still unquestionably a great and very proven fighter, along with every other member of the Murderer's Row from that period, which he was arguably the class of.

I do agree that his reputation in some aspects both pro and con, though.

 

Well, true to a large degree that I have not looked into Burley's career very hard, mainly due to lack of interest... No offense, but certain guys who fight in obscurity do interest me; just not Charles Burley....

I have a big problem buying that Ray Robinson backed out or haired out of a pair of fights with Burley because he was scared or worried about something..... I'd like to hear the real story behind that scenario, however, everyone who was powerful in promoting back then is probably dead here in 2009.....

And considering boxing was pretty established by the 1940s and 50s, I find it hard that not one crooked promoter from any given city here in the USA could come up with enough money to satisfy both Robinson and Burley so they could fight.... Burley's management was lousy......... Even Stevie Wonder can see that.........

You know, by the middle of the 20th century, champions / fighters couldn't use the "Colored" or "Racial" excuse to back away from a proposed bout like they could do in the early 1900s all the way up to 1935 or so........ Charles Burley was NOT getting shafted or dicked around like Peter Jackson, Sam Langford, Harry Willis or even George Godfrey for cryin' out loud...... Them older dudes really had to deal with the color barrier when they were fighting........ I say Charles Burley skated by his best days fighting for lesser purse money in obscure places because he was poorly handled.....

Sure, Charles Burley did beat some damn good fighters.. I am not denying him of that.... But, he did fight some good name fighters for chump change because he was managed like a chump...

I also don't wanna hear any SOB stories that Burley refused to sign with big name promoters because he didn't want to split his money or be robbed by the mobsters who were in the game back then.... I heard all that crap from the "LaMotta" and "Jersey J. Walcott" stories a long time ago..... However, both eventually became champs.....

When a fighter of Charles Burley's stature gets nowhere in the spotlight and cannot make big money for the times, something is wrong with his handlers and connections or, the fighter himself...... Burley lacked something.......
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How the hell is he gonna justify having Cotto at #5. The guys a troll and should be banned from these polls.

 

You said it yourself. Burley, like all of the Black Murderer's Row, was poorly managed. That is the root of the reason the bigger name white fighters and the top black fighters like Robinson wanted nothing to do with him. He was extremely high risk, low reward because his name was not a houssehold one. In incredibly slick, crafty boxer that most top mainstream opponents didn't want any part of because they weren't interested in being made to look poor by a fighter so much lesser reknowned by the general public (not managers, trainers, or the fighters themselves, however). They weren't willing to risk damaging their credibility for so little a reward.

You'll have to ask McGrain about the purse that was offered to Robinson, though. My knowledge on that subject is a bit shady.

 

sounds about right..:yep

 

I would've liked to, yes..

 

:rofl:roflat mostly everything i've read on these last 2 pages.

 

1. sugar ray robinson
2. ray leonard
3. tommy hearns
4. emile griffiths
5. kid gavilan
6. wifred benitez
7. jose napoles
8. don curry
9. mickey walker
10. carlos palomino

 

He may have written a book..:huh