Please Participate--All-Time Welterweight Survey (POLL CLOSED!! )

Is that the Koran?

 

The title of his classic "Wasserfarben Für Dumbkopf" loosely translates to, I believe, "Watercolor For Dummies" - but then it's been a while since 7th grade Deutsch..

 

Good list, but you forgot Genaro Leon and Tyrone Trice. I'd probably put them in the place of Robinson and Leonard :good

 

Freaking Cotto. :yep

 

I'm gonna have to look into Burley past a bit here on Google and a few other places on the Web, but I'm gonna stick to my guns by saying nobody post of 1935 was ever so good that they actually hurt their careers' and were incapable of finding a suitable manager / promoter to get them the type of fights and exposure they needed to make it all the way to the top.... Being black, white, yellow or green was no longer a major factor once Joe Louis broke onto the scene in the mid-30's and started knockin' mothers out left and right......
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If being too good for one's own good was such a sin post of 1935, then dudes like Ray Robinson, Willie Pep, Ezzard Charles, Rocky Marciano, Archie Moore, Muhammad Ali and Roberto Duran never would've gotten anywhere in boxing......
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All in all, I am certain I will be pleased at what I do find on Charley Burley, and I am sure he was a damn good fighter as well.. But since he lacked exposure and charisma, I will also find it hard for me to rate Burley up there with the truly great fighters that fought in major arenas' and ballpark stadiums' winning and defending world titles against world class contenders who were hungry, capable and owned charisma...
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I mean for Christ Sake, the 1950's was a goddamn "Golden" era for boxing.... Especially for welterweights and middleweights........ If there was ever a chance, place, or time to make a name for yourself, the 50's was the decade..... Radio, Newspapers and TV were booming.......
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MR.BILL:hat

 

You are correct. :good

 

Spare me the nonsense, McGrain.......... Paulie Williams is still a "puppy dog" for a fighter..... He is still raw who's trying to become seasoned....... But since nobody is his size at 147 to 154 pounds, he'll be fine there.... 160 may pose some problems for him, since he'll be fighting bigger guys with natural strength / power there......... Time will tell for Williams.....
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As for Shane Mosley, he is age 37 and will be declining very shortly here... Also, Tony Margarito was made to order for Mosley like a Taco Supreme from Del Taco..... That also applies to the rugged but painfully one-dimensional Rico Mayo, as well......... Louis Collazo? Was merely an average opponent for Mosley in 2007........ I was never sold on Collazo.... Miguel Cotto was peaked at 147 for Mosley in late 2007, and Mosley had the fight of his life there with Cotto.... Mosley LOST a close decision..... Funny how Mosley loses to a guy who finally was NOT made-to-order for him.......
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As for Chuck Burley, well, I finally gandered at his record.... He basically fought for 12 yrs from '38 to 1950....... He has a good record, but he did struggle with Jimmy Bivins, Holman Williams, Lloyd Marshall & Buzzard Charles...... Burley has a win over Archie Moore and a heavyweight by the name of J.D. Turner....... As for the rest of Burley's lot of opponents, I really do not recognize many of the names, but I'll credit that some of the unknown guys he fought must've been pretty good.......

Burley rates # 39 in the top-100 fighters over the last 80 yrs, or eversince Ring Mag. has been rating fighters on a pound-4-pound basis.....

Eddie Futch claimed he was the best he ever seen..... I liked Futch myself, but that's just talk......

Yeah, Charley Burley was a damn good fighter..... BUT! He is not gonna crack the top-10 of my personal pound-4-pound list....... # 39 by Ring Mag. seems fair and about accurate for a "pound-4-pound" sense of rating........

Perhaps Burley might be an all-time former welterweight fighter at 147, however, I am not so sure that carries up to 160........


MR.BILL:bbb:hey

 

Throw Junior Witter in there as well.

 

Definitely, but i'll be honest i was getting more at Hatton than anything else there, and this ain't the thread. On your point about Winky, i'll add that Mosley deserves credit for facing him there, didn't he take tha one for less money at the time because it was the right thing to do? I remember after he lost it convincingly he was aked if he regrets it in hindsight, he said 'no, because this was a historical fight for the sport'. He's a purist's dream spouting **** like that.

 

Well, I was just looking over the Welters that were / are rated up until the end of May, 2009..

Paul Williams is gone at 147, regardless of his bull manure talk of still being able to make and fight well at 147..... That is indeed nonsense...... Williams is maturing and would be a limp dick at 147 here in late 2009...... 154 would be a good move, but Williams has gotten somewhat ballsy and wants the rugged but limited Kelly Pavlik at 160 pounds..... We'll see how that pans out later this year.......

The only REAL names worth a damn at 147 right now are "Mosley & Clottey." Yes, Miguel Cotto is coming back and Andre Berto is growing up, but Zabra Judah is washed up....... "Margo & Quintana" are rugged but limited, and I was never truly sold on either guys skills.....

"Mosley-Clottey" is the only REAL 147 pound fight that needs to happen.........

I never cared for or liked Fraud Mayrunner at all...... I care LESS about his comeback at 147.........

Manny Pacquiao is not a true 147 pounder; 140 is his best weight right now...... Packy needs to drop back down...........

MR.BILL