175 lb 2nd Round-Ezzard Charles vs Roy Jones Jr

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  1. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    15 rounds, no reason, no vote:good

    Note to forum members; the other four matchups need more votes! If you have a favourite make sure he has a chance by stating your claim for him to be victor (in particular, Galindez vs Loughran, a very interesting matchup which has about three votes thus far :lol:)

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    This will be heartbreaking for some. Two ESB favourites here and both fighters match up extremely well head to head (since the elimination of Spinks and Foster I think Jones stands more of a shake since so many people have disdain for his punch resistance) but Charles was a serious puncher and a fantastic boxer, can Jones outbox one of the greatest of all time?

    Will be interesting this one. I've already made up my mind but won't comment yet:good
     
    Flea Man, Sep 26, 2009
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  2. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Jones had blinding speeeeeeed ! Charles had the better fundamentals.Ezzard takes this by dec, or ,maybe even a late stoppage.
     
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  3. McGrain

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    Jones has the absolutely correct style for beating Charles, a rythym-breaking style where the opponent's own rythym is not compromised. Jones could out-box Charles for huge swathes of this fight in my opinion.

    On the other hand, Charles is an excellent, compact puncher who is unquestionably capable of stopping Jones. My own opinion is that Jones's chin is suspect and his late career vulnerability was nothing to do with weight-draining, but maybe i'm wrong and Jones could get out of a tough round with Charles. Based upon the chance i'm wrong i'll plump for Jones on a decision.
     
    McGrain, Sep 26, 2009
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  4. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    I'd take Charles by KO in the later rounds. I agree that Jones had a style that Charles, and anyone for that matter, would find very troubling. However, I think Charles's crafty punching and experience would allow him to time Jones at some point in the fight, allowing for either a one punch KO or a big shot followed by a flurry that would take Jones out. If Jones somehow did manage to survive, I think an exchange like this would give Charles the edge in the championship rounds, and he'd either hurt and finish him again or take over the decision. I'll go with the former.
     
    Sweet Pea, Sep 26, 2009
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  5. Flea Man

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    Maybe it's a mix of both McGrain? The weight draining allowed his reflexes to drop and thus his chin was easier to hit. A few things; one, the hook Tarver hit him with was a peach. Two, Johnson hit him around the temple when Jones was looking the other way. Jones was not right for these fights.

    Personally, I think his chin was average, not great, but not china but also POSSIBLY TERRIBLE due to the fact he rarely took decent digs in his prime. I feel the weight-hopping made his legs spent, hence why he was slower of foot, easier to tag and couldn't recover.

    Personally I feel it's down to whether Jones can stop Charles from establishing his jab and be in and out, peppering him with combinations and winning a decision, and also whether JOnes can keep the fight unstrenous enough that he can go the 15.

    I say Charles manages to establish his jab late on and lands some serious combos that have Jones reeling. Jones, ever shrewd, covers up on the ropes with his mitts up around his head, occasionally firing back and employing lateral movement to get back into the centre of the ring and survive, winning a close, possibly disputed decision with a lot of cagey rounds early on but Charles doing the more damaging punching throughout.

    Jones 9-6. Although I have no worries with it going the other way, Charles for me the best light-heavy ever, but Jones just has one of those styles.
     
    Flea Man, Sep 26, 2009
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  6. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I confess I had trouble with this one, and would not presume to argue with anyone voting opposite to me ,its a very tricky contest.
     
    mcvey, Sep 26, 2009
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  7. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i know we need a reason but i agree with this post so there is no need to put the same reason further down in different words :good
     
    Mr Butt, Sep 26, 2009
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  8. Minotauro

    Minotauro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Charles would stop Jones late. Roy would take the early rounds but Ezzards body attack would begin to ware Jones down and eventually stop him. Roy had a habit of lying on the ropes at light heavy which he would not get away with against Charles.
     
    Minotauro, Sep 26, 2009
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  9. BUDW

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    Charles power to much for Roy,Ezzard ko in 6rds
     
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  10. OBCboxer

    OBCboxer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is a tough one to pick. I'll take Jones by decision. I think he has the right style to beat Charles and he may be the only fighter I would pick over him at this weight.
     
    OBCboxer, Sep 26, 2009
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  11. Axl_Nose

    Axl_Nose Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Why are the 2 greatest light heavyweights of all time meeting in the 2nd round ??
    These 2 should have been saved for at least the semi's, im guessing the poster is a huge fan of either, Archie Moore, Gene Tunney, Bob Foster or Michael Spinks ..
    I think Ezzard Charles is the greatest Lightheavyweight of all time but Roy Jones at his best in the 90's could have an impossible style for anybody ..

    Roy on points .. Ezzard is brilliant but Roy on his very best day is unbeatable with that unique style of his, speed kills and with those reflexes im giving him the edge on Charles ..
     
    Axl_Nose, Sep 26, 2009
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  12. My2Sense

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    Charles would shut him down the way he did to Burley(twice) and then win either a lopsided decision, or (if Roy gets brave) a KO at some point.
     
    My2Sense, Sep 26, 2009
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  13. Flea Man

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    You thick **** it's a random draw
     
    Flea Man, Sep 26, 2009
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  14. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i think your to polite :lol:
     
    Mr Butt, Sep 26, 2009
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  15. Flea Man

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    :lol:
     
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