A List of Past HW Champions That Beat The Vitali Klitschko I Just Saw

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  1. kirk

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    No way, IMO, that Tommy beats Vitali.... people need to realise this was an almost 40 year old vitali whos been out for a long time prior to this year. come on now.
     
  2. madballster

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    Bowe looked good only against smaller fighters like Holyfield, Dokes or Seldon. Look at his resume, it's full of guys shorter than him. Ever wonder why Bowe NEVER wanted to fight Lewis?

    When the WBC ordered him to fight Lewis, Bowe threw the WBC belt in the trashcan and vacated it. THAT'S WHO HE WAS. A talented, yet mentally weak broken man who was never ready to compete at the top.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNp12msEWqU

    Bowe was scared of Lewis and you could hear how his voice was shaking and he was unable to look Lewis in the eye. So much for your "prime" Bowe.
     
  3. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    There are plenty more examples. I'm not going to waste my whole day explaining them to him so I just stopped with 2.

    Holmes would also qualify with his 48 straight and 2nd most defenses.
     
  4. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Lewis > Vitali

    And that's quite obvious.

    I know Bowe threw his belt out to not fight Lewis. Bowe isn't entirely proven against the bigger heavyweights but I feel his offensive arsenal is enough to beat Vitali. So it seems people disagree with about 1-2 or maybe 3 of my choices. I guess that says a lot because in terms of legacy he's certainly not in the top 15. So if not for H2H I don't know what he has...
     
  5. Farmboxer

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    Stacy McKinley: “Vitali Klitschko is probably the best thinking fighter heavyweight since Muhammad Ali. He’s a very smart, intelligent fighter. Very smart,” said McKinley last week in an interview we did in New York City. “He can box, he can throw punches from all angles. He can move. He can take a punch. He’s tall. He’s busy. He’s very hard to hit. Good thinker. Oh, he’s a helluva thinker.”

    McKinley got a close up view of the WBC Heavyweight champion in Berlin last year while working with Samuel Peter. “That’s what I said when I fought him with Samuel Peters. I said, Don’t try to think with this guy. Don’t try to out-box or out-think this guy. Get in there and fight this guy. But he want to sit back and try to out-think him. You can’t do it. And I told him, He’s probably the smartest heavyweight I’ve seen in the ring since Muhammad Ali. And I’ve seen a lot of good fighters. Larry Holmes and all them were good fighters but they weren’t good thinkers. This guy Vitali is a great thinker. It seems like he knows what you’re gonna do before you start to do it. So he’s very, very, very cagey. I don’t think nobody can beat him.”

    When I ask which fight or fights of Vitali were most impressive which convinced him to become a believer, he replies, “Well, the Lennox Lewis fight. The left-hander he fought that beat his brother (Corrie Sanders). All these guys he fought. He’s just so smart. He moves good. A real intelligent fighter.”

    Then I suggest something many pundits have not yet begun to accept or contemplate. Is Vitali one of the heavyweight greats of all time? McKinley does not disagree. “One of the greats and that’s what I said. I told him. I haven’t seen one that smart since Muhammad Ali. I told him after the fight with Peters, post press conference. Smartest I’ve seen as far as thinking. Most of the guys can’t think that well. He’s just great, man, a great thinker. Since Muhammad Ali. He’s that smart.”

    Does Cristobal Arreola have any chance to beat Vitali? “No,” replies McKinley without a hint of doubt. “Three or four rounds he might get knocked out. He can’t beat that kid. Standing up too straight, he ain’t got the chin or the skills. This guy, like I tell you, he knows what he’s doing. And I was talking to his brother Wladimir, he was down in Miami. I said, Have you and your brother ever sparred together?

    “Wladimir said, No, we’re too competitive. I said, Let me tell you something. That’s a smart boy. He said, Yeah, he’s very hard to fight. I said, You don’t have to tell me. He’s very hard. He’s the best heavyweight out there. I don’t think anybody can beat him.”

    Does McKinley believe Vitali is the superior heavyweight fighter to Wladimir? “Oh yeah. He’d knock Wladimir out. Wladimir’s got good, basic fundamentals but he couldn’t do nothing with that kid. Kid’s too good, man. And I knew we were gonna have a hard fight with Samuel Peters. I said, Go in and put pressure on, cut the ring off and fight him. Don’t think with him. Don’t try to out-box him. Because you can’t out-think him. You’ve got to fight him. But he tried to think and you saw what happened. It was no contest. He quit.”
     
  6. Oscar de la Roa

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    joe fraZIER is the best style against that akward klitshcko
     
  7. madballster

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    I never said Vitali is in the top 15 ATG HW list. The list spans a total of 100 years. It is very hard to make it into the top 10-15.

    He definitely is a boxer though that will be REMEMBERED for many decades. Mabye not in 100 years from now, but definitely we will speak about Vitali in 10 years after he retired.
     
  8. rm36

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    The only picks I'd really disagree with are Schmeling and Morrison. Charles and Walcott definitely could win, but I think the difference in size just might be too big. I don't think you're giving Klitschko enough credit in some of these matches. He really would be a serious challenge for many of the great heavyweights. But I think the majority of your picks are pretty accurate.
     
  9. Flatlander

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    All great fighter but how many of them would beat Vitali if they were also 38. What Vitali did tonight at his age was amazing. Even if he did look his age while doing it. Don't dare say George Foreman. Love George but at 38 he would not stand a chance against Vitali.
     
  10. PetethePrince

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    Morrison seems underrated here. I understand the concern due to his chin. However, he has the style to do so. Schemling is a very scientific and intelligent fighter. More intelligent than Vitali. He would expose a flaw in him. He had with Louis so I think he could with Vitali.

    Maybe I'm underestimating Vitali but thanks for at least admitting that I'm pretty spot on. Most of the laugh out louds have nothing better to say and for good reason...
     
  11. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Ok, that's a fair point. But Vitali hasn't had more than 40 bouts and had a 4 year layoff.

    Foreman that fought Holy beats Vitali I think.

    Jersey Joe that beat Marciano (Although the one with better legs in the Louis fight has the better chance).
     
  12. Drexl

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    The Golota that lost twice to Bowe would bave beat the Vitali we saw tonight.

    Both Vitali and Arreola were a disgrace to the art of boxing. No co-ordination. Basically no combinations or footwork. Just pitiful really. I have seen toughman competitors with more boxing skill.
     
  13. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Yes, but the prime one that fought Holyfield loses according to them because he was scared and ducked Lewis. :lol:
     
  14. Drexl

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    It's interesting that Vitali's greatest achievement is still probably a loss to a fighter roughly this age.

    Arreola lasted longer against Vitali than Vitali did against old Lennox.


    Vitali better give him a rematch or, if we follow the Klit fanboy logic, we will have to say that Arreola retired Vitali. :lol:
     
  15. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak banned Full Member

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    Wow. Your arguments suck in the Classic Forum and they are just plain pathetic elsewhere.