Nobody Is Going To Beat Vitali Klitschko

So you are basing your whole 'boxing is now more global' arguement around the fact that Bulgaria has only picked up the sport in the last 40 years or so? You do know that there are 195 countries in the world outside of Bulgaria right?

 

1. You're incoherent.

2. wtf do you mean 'local'? This is, I believe, connected to point 1.

3. There were more professional boxers registered in the state of New York in the 1950's than there are in the Unites States today. Boxing gyms used to be in every neighbourhood. No they are nowhere.

The sport of boxing is much weaker now than it has been at many times in the past. The heavyweight division especially is very low on talent. The prescence of two robotic Ukrainians does not make a sport 'global'.

 

yeah them cats (the klitschkos) have too much for the overweight sluggish and sloppy heavyweight division...

 

This is a poor arguement. Boxing has always been global, it started in England. Hell, Jack Johnson, the first black heavyweight, fought a Canadian in Australia for the title about 100 years ago, how global was that?

Secondly there's way more options to make a living in other sports then every before. Since most heavyweights in the past have been black, look at their options today. They mostly gravitate towards basketball, or football. Way more money in it, and at least in basketball, there's far less danger. The void has been filled mostly be eastern europeans, who don't have the same level of athleticism. Not trying to come off a prejudice or anything like that, just being honest. But I don't think you have to go back to the 70's to compare boxing talent, the 80-90's were plenty good enough for that. There was Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis, these 3 alone are all ATG's and may have all 3 ranked in the top 10. That's every bit as good as the 70's. And Bowe to the mix, and at the very least it challenges the 70's. Now a days there's simply less talent, hell you don't need reasoning to figure that out, just watch the fights. I've been following boxing since the 70's and it goes through cycles, and today it's in a down trend. Not the Klitschko's fault, but it is what it is. There's certainly not a prime Lewis, a prime Bowe or a prime Tyson to challenge either of them.

 

james toney would beat both of them. Im not a big fan of toney but he wouldnt just b a dumb ass like all these other guys. to me u gotta try something different when the gameplan doesnt work

 

Firstly the fact that it is worldwide,doesnt make it neccessarily better. Some sports are dominated by a couple of countries because these countries have the most interest,or better facilities etc.
Soccer is a worldwide sport yet only a handful of countries have ever won the world cup.
The boxing world is no more global than it was back in the mid 90s yet that division was much better,with Tyson,Lewis,Bowe,McCall,Bruno,Mercer,Holyfield maybe Golota. That is a much better division than the current one.

Anyway your point about boxing not being global back in the day was wrong to begin with. Ali fought guys from Jamaica,Uruguay,Britain,Belgium,Canada,Argentina,and Germany. Hardly local fighters.

Theres been champions from Europe,Australia and South America going back to the 20s. It may have been local starting out in your career,but when you began to dominate your area you moved up,if you began to dominate your country and region you moved up to world level.

However i dont think anyone in the current climate has a chance against either of the Klitschkos.They truely are top fighters fighting in a poor era.

Marciano had the same problem.

 

Wladimir beats Vitali by decision.

 

This is what everyone says or thinks until they get hit! James Toney is punch drunk.

 

I agree, at this time no one is out there to beat him. He is too big, too strong, and too good for his size for any of the smaller heavyweights or even current bigger ones to beat him. I disagree, however, on the iron chin. I would say its because he is too strong, too big, to good defensively.

 

When you're that ignorant of the sport's history, tou should probbly STFU and avoid embarrassment.

 

I think the winner of Haye/Valuev is the only one who would be somewhat of a threat to Vitali. No need in him wasting time on the loser, so there's one fight out there for him, left.



Vitali Haye or Vitali Valuev (according to who wins in November) is the only fight that is worth the time. Vitali against all the rest, he'd put on another boxing masterclass with.

 

The tallent pool is much smaller than it once was...with scholarships to marginal students, for chances at big money football or basketball, you of course take away the many, that wold have gone to boxing to get out of poverty, instead of going to "free" collages.


Back in the old days of the fifties I a kid, was talking to an old man..who lived in the real deep tallent days.
He said, by 26 in light weights the man was old, that 30 was getting old for a Middleweight. 32 was getting old for a Heavyweight (one of the reasons Liston and Archi Moore lied about how old they were. Who wanted to go see an old man of 33 at heavy, when he could go across town, and watch some young heavies of 22-25, fit and fast go at it.)

A loss or even a hand full of losses did not eleminate a man then; if it was a good hard fight...when a man fights good fighters some time he loses.

This he's undefeated means crap, when all he's fought is crap.

Styles make the fight and some time your style is just made for some one elses. Some time his style is made just for yours.

Back when you had a single line of ten contenders it was expected that contenders fought other contenders often. They had to, to get a crack at the champ...clean the bums out between him and big money.

Back in the one and only Champion of the world...if he reached down to take on the number 6 man*...he was taking an easy pay day.
Today with 4 belts, 4 of the top 6 are Champs, and the contender only is after the one of four Champs he thinks he can beat.
So a Champ fighting his manditory may well be fighting the number 8 contender in real life.
No wonder many of those fights are boring.

The money was a lot less. You got a split of the gate, where some one thought it would be a good hard close fight...and he paid money to plunk his ass down on a seat to see.

If your card did not offer mostly good hard fights, why go?

* At No time is that perfect....Moore, Charles, Tunney, Robinson, LaMota, Bevins were dodged by Champs.
Patterson dodged Machen, Foley and Liston.

But on the whole, you got hot fought top contender fights like Lyle-Forman.

A contender could not really work his way up the ranks by fighting 6 tomato cans like Rahman did.


How bad was it back in the day...some outsider won a one and only Championship....don't remember who or what weight...mid 60's.

When asked what did it mean to him now that he won the Championship?
His answer shocked me.

"I can now hire good sparing partners."

That was often the difference between a Champ and a challanger.

 

Vitali Klitschko's competition is probably better than Willard's.

 

Yeah, and he also has a heart deficiency that should preclude any such victory.