Ranking the Greats: your assistance please

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Stonehands89, Sep 27, 2009.


  1. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think there'd still be plenty of wriggle room even if a fighter's resume did predominate the scoring portion of the ranking points, but that's the last I'll say on the matter I think (won't promise :D ). I guess the proof will be in the pudding when we see how the fighters are actually ranked and I'm sure the 'how can X be ranked higher than Y?' question will come to the fore to test our beliefs on this out.:good
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Bottom line speaks loudest!
     
  3. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That was a different era and largely a different sport back then. It required different skills. 1920 is as good a cut-off as any, though it does force out Langford. His record is spotty though... alot of suspicious stuff there. He'd get an honorable mention...

    Fair... not sure i'd agree though. it's hard to compete when your dying your hair too.

    I'm confident that the results won't contradict this.
     
  4. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If I see this for a JT post in the next hour or so:

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    -that's called a KO!
     
  5. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Oooooooh my durability is so much more!!!!!

    Have gone peepy byes with the head on the keyboard years ago tho, i must admit :rofl
     
  6. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Level of opposition is the first thing that needs to be taken into account when measuring the importance of dominance in comparison to ring generalship.
     
  7. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Yeah, my last post was of course useless. I guess I didn't really take into account that a thread with McGrain, Stonehands, and sweet_scientist would've covered that long ago. And by the way McGrain, fantastic post at the beginning of page #2.
     
  8. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    just want to add this

    a quote from McGrain i have commited to memory

    'boxing ain't maths its more like music'

    The points and that is a great idea but boxing aint as straight forward as that and you need a biot of subjectiviveness
     
  9. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    StoneHands this is a seriously good idea. You use a lot of things I like (post-1920, taking into account how the fighters performed and not just who is on their ledger) and I wish you a lot of luck in compiling your list. Should be interesting to see :good
     
  10. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I have always understood the term to be more a refference to the tactical aspects of a fight plan.
     
  11. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm drowning in a sea of my turbulent subjectivity. I'm reaching out to the best historians and analysts around to rescue me.

    .... I just did some computations.... it looks interesting....
     
  12. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Tactics can change by the minute.... and they are akin to dipping into your toolbox during a bout. You have to be a pretty able mechanic/technician to do this. Strategy is better referred to as "grand strategy"....which comes from watching fight films and building a general fight plan. At least that's how I look at it.
     
  13. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    that is the downside of subjectiveness is that its constantly changing, perhaps numbers will work

    could you post up the compuitations as a sample to see hwat needs tweaked or whatever
     
  14. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    it's on an excel program. Anyone know how to show it here? I can't figure it the hell out...
     
  15. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    You may have defined the term better for me.

    Perhaps it should describe an fighters ability to adjust and react to what is in front of him combined with his fight plan?

    The ring general maintains control of how the fight unfolds.