Clay vs Cooper 1963 - The between rds contraversy.

Ive just rung the BBB of C to ask when smelling salts were made illegal in British rings and he could not tell me, he did confirm that they are now illegal world wide though.

 

Well, all's you will provide is 'words', I have timed it myself too a long while ago and got around 8 or 9 seconds I think but a radio 'live feed' is more reliable than my grainy footage of the fight. Also, while I find TBooze's opinion on most things very odd at the best of times, I can state that 'facts-wise' he's a very reliable source, much more so than some Ali ****-licker. Sorry that's just the way it is. :good

 

Good investigative work there squire. I know they were illegal in 1967 because I have an article written by Reg 'with the one scotch egg' telling me so (it's nothing to do with Clay-Cooper either).

 

There was roughly a 35 minute break between the rounds. During this time, Ali was given smelling salts, steroids and gloves that were filled with paris of plaster. Meanwhile, Dundee has admitted that he went over to Cooper's corner and stuck his finger into the cut to make it worse.

The greatest of all time?

 

That's the thing, it's you making a big deal over a few seconds, whereas no one's that bothered if it was 5 or 10, all's I've commented in this direction is by telling you you're not a great source and that's all there is to it. You've also commented on Cooper being a storyteller and have now been told that Ali and Dundee did the same, so why not spend the rest of this thread lambasting them too?

 

Well I will allways take your word.:good The Clay Cooper fight was 63 .
I have been trying to get in touch with Harold Alderman M B E, a boxing historian ,he would know.

 

It was always my understanding that what Angelo did was aggravate the tear in that glove, which was then used to poke and prod away at Cooper's cut, facilitating a more rapid stoppage.

Fred Stoner is that second trainer, who was in fact introduced on television along with Joe Martin as Ali's developmental mentor after Muhammad's career had concluded. (This clip of the three of them together was on youtube a while back, but I can't find it now.) When Stoner passed on, his obituary was widely published, acknowledging his prominence in Ali's evolution. Joe Martin is supposed to have given him access to televised exposure and the small payoffs provided by this. (Technically, this should have made him as ineligible for the Olympics as Jim Thorp, but we all know what a joke that's always been in practice.)

To me, the outstanding goof in Richard Durham's book is the identification of Zack Clayton as the referee for Ali's rematch with Liston, which instantly called into question the veracity of less established details. However, in light of the recognition and credit Fred Stoner received through the remainder of his life, the account of Ali's involvement with both him and Martin rings truer.

 

Sticking his finger into the tear of his guy's glove to aggravate it more seems perfectly efficient to me.

 

I know. Any time someone feels like slagging Ali off,this always gets brought up. The time delay has indeed been grossly exaggerated over the years.

 

Mendoza wants him dsqd because Dundee jumped into the ring after the bell had rung to finish the round .atsch

 

Haven't heard that version before.

Thanks for the info!

Walcott must have payed him off.

 

If smelling salts were indeed illegal, neither the commentator nor the ref did a very good job. Look at around 3:39-3:43. How could they have missed that? The ref was right there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnEDM4EC5kw

 

you've got a good point there.
cooper didn't speak to harry gibbs for years after the bugner fight either.