Joe Louis vs. Vitali Klitschko

in fights between your top10 welters to mine ,
each place against its parallel my would emerge victorious in about 7 - 8 of cases and that's the important thing. joe walcott was a great fighter but a midget. 147 not his place. you just pick your fighters from 1950's and before , really genius .

 

Walcott? The man who drew with the guy top of your welterweight list? Keep it up.atsch :good

Head to head isnt everything, Robinson achieved far more at this weight than Langford.

Also there is no conceiveable excuse for Cotto or Starling. And I would truly love to hear you reasoning on Davis.

And yes I am a genius, in fact five of my picks boxed post-1960.

 

A great fight......... Louis might be able to beat Klit, but he'd **** his pants in the process......... I also wouldn't be shocked if Klit bounced Louis off the floor for a TKO win, either...........
:bbb

MR.BILL

 

Suzie, you're a good poster, but this **** has to stop. No one can seriously think Louis gets the KO in 1 round. He struggled with far less illustrious competition.

Now, I consider Joe Louis the GOAT, but Vitali would be an interesting matchup. He can KO Louis, but he's also tailor-made for Joe. Would he chop down the tree? And would it be one-sided? I can't imagine Louis doesn't take heavy punishment coming in, but I would bet on Joe. He's too good a puncher and Vitali is too open.

OTOH, Vitali has great ring generalship and footwork, and he's active on his feet. Louis woud have to fight like a swarmer to get in close enough to land his punches. While doing so he will take punishment.

I honestly like Frazier's chances better, to be honest.:think

 

Suzie Q is a KNOWN "K" bro. hater.................... Louis is NOT gonna ace through V.K. like he did against the giant pug named Buddy Baer in '42........... NO WAY!!! Klit is much better / greater than "Simon or Baer" ever was....................

Christ, I'm not so sure I'd put money on Joe Louis to beat V.K. in a fight..... I'm not so sure he could win that fight......... Word....

MR.BILL

 

I hate to say it, because I love Louis, but if I had to bet, it would be on VK. Different era, different athlete. VK has fought giants his entire career and has damn near never lost a round, let alone to super-middles, cruisers or tiny fat men. He certainly was never KD'd by these fellows. Judged in context of their respective eras, Louis remains perhaps the all time great. But it's just not fair head to head. The truth hurts.

 

I just can't decide one way or the other about Vitali Klitschko. I can see he has some nice (probably underrated) skills, is a ******* to fight and part of me realises I'm probably underrating him in general. Statistically his career is very impressive.
On the other hand, a part of me realises he would not be able to do some of the things he does against a better class of heavyweight.

I'm refraining from jumping on the bandwagon simply because it's easy to do, especially after a recent impressive win. I remember when Roy Jones beat Ruiz, there were some nutters who were comparing him to Ali, and had him beating many legendary heavyweights.
They put forth a great argument on paper and since Jones had looked impressive up until then in his career, it was a feasible argument.
Now with hindsight that type of argument would be laughed out of here...

Obviously Klitschko is no 193 pound Roy Jones, but my point is that everyone looks impressive as long as they remain unbeaten. (Or unbeaten in their comeback, as is Klitshcko's case.)

I'll refrain from making a judgement call until I can sit back and fully analyse what he had accomplished once the dust has settled. Fair enough?

 

I just watched a fair bit of Vitali, and i have to say, that i cannot for the life of me see how he is described as a modern skilled super heavy whereas other superheavys like carnera or willard are said to be unskilled. Vitali has the old time low guard, virtually never combination punches, paws with his left and mainly arm punches with the left, doesnt clinch much, and virtually never throws his right. Certainly not in any combination. This is exactly what the old time 6and half foot boxers are all accused of doing.

Vitali has a great record, but he really does look there for the taking if he ever meets a decent fighter who throws more than one out punches. If anything, he is a throwback to the days of Willard and Carnera. He very rarely throws his right hand, in fact, so much so that i think he can be described as a one handed fighter. And his defence, while effective against some, really is at best, far worse than the old time guys who are considered too primitive. His left hand is held amazingly low, pretty much guarding against the shot to the balls, which i suppose might be more effective if he was fighting Andrew Golota.

His right hand also is nearly always guarding below his rib cage, and he very rarely, particularly when he throws the left, raises to his chin, which for all i can understand, makes him less skilled than guys like Carnera and Willard. One can only imagine how easy someone like a Joe Frazier might find it to land the left hook. Against Joe Louis, not only would he be subjected to a thunderous left hook, but the low left land would mean that Joe would land straight and hard with his left and right.

Vitalis main defence seems to utilise his size with a backward head sway and of course the most effective tactic of his which has him throwing that left hand and discouraging the boxer from pursuing him. The problem for Vitali is that Louis (and most other smaller greater fighters) have a much, much higher punch output than most of the guys vitali has fought and this will cause him problems also. Also, Vitali doesnt really clinch and try to use his size and weight advantage to wear out opponents.

Vitali, like Willard and Carnera does compensate his lack of defence with his powerful left, good chin and superb stamina. I think his stamina (same with his brother) is a very large part of why he is so much better than the contenders nowadays. IN fact, i would go so far as to suggest that Vitali is living proof that many of the older boxers can and would compete today. The problem with a Louis fight though, is that Louis is has stamina which is every bit as good as vitalis, probably better (mainly because of the size differences).

In short, Vitalis powerful jab and chin and reach advantage is not enough to trouble Joe. In fact, it is nothing that JOe didnt comfortably overcome in Max Baer, Carnera and Buddy Baer. Even if Vitali is better than this three (and this is debateable, some might even say doubtful), he does not bring enough of an improvement to trouble JOe Louis. I dont see this fight as being all that close at all.

 

The truth is Louis had trouble with guys who utilized their jab and movement. See the Pastor, Conn, Walcott, or Charles fights. None of these names had the range, size power, punch out put, or chin of Vitali.

The big guys Louis fought had stationary feet, and far less skills. I think you're rights. Different era, different athletes.

 

Sure he wouldatsch

 

Vitali is clearly not that great. Against Louis, smaller, way back in the day, maybe he'd have a chance. But although he showed good movement he still seems to panic under pressure, regardless of his decent chin.

If Louis can catch him......I say Vitali boxes smart and possibly stops Louis late, but then I'm not sold on Vitali as a puncher (definitely hits as hard as Schemling though and Louis could be hurt and stopped)

Against any other top 10 heavy (bar dempsey if you have him there) I say Vitali loses.

He couldn't beat the Lewis that Rahman beat.

EDIT: as previously stated there's a chance it's Carnera all over again.

I picked Vitali but hate his nuthuggers, obviously I'd be rooting for Louis all the way.

By the way, Frankenwank, why haven't you commited suicide like I instructed you to?

 

haha, what?

 

Um............what's so funny? I don't see Vitali beating

1) Ali

3) Foreman
4) Holmes
5) Lennox (obviously)
6) Marciano (quite small though so to be honest I'd give Vitali a good chance at outboxing him)
7) Frazier (Vitali will have a chance early but I don't put him in the same category of puncher as Foreman)
8) Tyson
9) Liston


2 is Louis, 10 is Dempsey. Marciano I kinda' explained yeah, but seeing as your post was so minimal and crappy I don't see why I should respond to you in further detail.

get ****ed:good

Or are you saying that Dempsey would beat him? If so, make your case.

 

Interesting post, to say the least.

 

Oh come on, Klit was always going to get a vote!