Do You Thinks It Really Matters What Age You Start Boxing?

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  1. cotto20

    cotto20 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Been thinking about this lately, and I really think it dosent matter what age a fighter takes up boxing, and just because the majority of the fighters start at early dosent always mean success. For Example.......

    Uk's Danny Williams started Boxing at 8, and never won a World Title and will most likely never be a ATG. Rocky Marciano started at 23, and won the Heavyweight Title and reitred undefeated champion.

    Williams started 15 years earlier than Marciano, but yet look how much greater Marciano was. Next example.

    Uk's John Thaxton started boxing at 8 years of age, and has never won or even challegend for a world title. Manuel Ortiz started boxing at age 21, and was world champion and made 15 defences.

    Thaxton started 13 years before Ortiz, but look how much greater Ortiz is. Next example

    Peter Manfredo started boxing at age 7, a extremly young age, but yet has never won a world title and is a fringe contender. Dick Tiger took up boxing at age 19, and is considered one of the best of all time and was a two weight world champion.

    Mandredo started 12 years before Tiger, but yet look at how much greater Tiger was. Next Example

    UK's Darren Mcdermott started boxing at age 8, and has never even been in the top 10 ring rating never mind world champion. Dwight start boxing in his mid 20's, and won 2 world titles and is a hall of famer.

    Mcdermoot started boxing 17 yeats before Qawi, but look at the difference in class between the two. amazing eh?

    These are only a few examples, i have lots more. But my point is, why do people think the younger the boxer startes the the better he will be, and once you get past the age of 18 you're to old.

    As i proved it dosent matter what age you take up boxing, if you're good, you're good. FACT
     
  2. newbridgeboxing

    newbridgeboxing Active Member Full Member

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    its all God Given Talent.. i could force my kid to play football eberyday does't mean they'd be good at the sport.

    In some people they just realise they have the tralent late on say mid 20s and is the fitness is there its faily easy for them to get into it.
     
  3. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jess Willard turn pro at 29 and won the heavyweight title.


    Some times its the draw of the card. I think talent plays a bigger part than what age you start imo.
     
  4. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Horribly cherry picked examples right there, how about your analyse all the best of the best and you'll the average starting age is quite low. The fact you can find boxers who achieved little who started young is irrelevant. Its no coincidence very very few top fighters started past the age of 18

    You can pick up skills later in life, but if you've practised boxing from a young young age your going to have a better grasp of those skills. Most of the examples of those that start late tend to be ones who arent the most skillfull and rely on physical conditioning/abilities
     
  5. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'd like to think that i could go to my local gym at age 36 almost 37 train and learn the ins and outs of boxing and win a world championship/tittle at around 40. Enless I turn out to be a real life Roy Hobbs this is not very likely to happen.
    On the other hand I could have started boxing at age 9 or 10 and you might be compareing me to other greats. Mabey not. Experance and hard work can go a long ways. However were limited by our natural talent. Another advantage of starting early is that you can better devlope your mussical memory.
    If you have a high leval of natural boxing talent and you are in top physical condition you can start late in life and do very well however If you don't starting early gives you advantages that you won't have if you start latter in life.
     
  6. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    The conundrum facing most fighters is that it's unhealthier to start fighting young because getting hit in the head as a child repeatedly does more damage long-term than waiting until the brain's fully developed to enter the sport and the "mileage" on each fighter would theoretically shorten the earlier they started , but the muscle memory many fighters get from starting and training young can be invaluable. For every Bernard Hokins, there's probably 10 champs who've been training since they were kids.

    If I had the proper funding I'd like to do a study to see the average quality of life of fighters who started young vs those who picked it up later as far as cognitive skills, etc. go. It'd be interesting to see if there's a correlation there.
     
  7. Flea Man

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    You've chosen some domestic fighters. Of course the likes of Marciano are going to look better compared to them :rofl

    I could say, Benitez, Ali, Duran.

    Dickhead plagarist.
     
  8. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm in full agreement.
    Just a brief look at (for example) most great heavyweight champs, and you'll see that most of them started boxing early in their lives, and most also won a gold medal at the Olympics or at least successful amateur careers.
    Skill or natural ability is the chief determinent of how fast you'll progress and how far you'll go, but starting boxing later in life means that you're forever playing catchup to earlier starters.
     
  9. Shake

    Shake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's a mix of both, naturally.
     
  10. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ron Lyle once said that if he'd started pro boxing earlier than he did,he'd have been more succesful.
     
  11. Flea Man

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    Cotto20/Monzon is back under another pseudonym which would explain his hatred of me after I rumbled him last time.
     
  12. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Heck yeah it makes a difference. Movements have to become second nature. The ability to pick up on an opponents movements to react with your own is something that happens over time of massive repetition and training. Physical ability and technique obviously also plays a part, but movements have to become second nature.
    Most of the best fighters have a lot of amatuer experience and have boxed since they were young kids.
     
  13. cotto20

    cotto20 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Rocky Marciano 23
    Dick Tiger started at 19.
    Harry Greb at 18
    Manuel Ortiz 21
    Sonny Liston 18 May Have Been Older, as most think he lied about his age
    Jeff Chandler 19
    Dwight Qawi 25
    Ron Lyle 29
    Jess Willard 29
    Glen Johnson 20

    All these fighters are condisred legends and some ATG's. And look at the age they started.
     
  14. cotto20

    cotto20 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Dick Tiger never had much amature and started at 19 years of age.

    Harry Greb started at 18, and some consider him the best fighter of all time.

    Manuel Ortiz knew all the tricks of the trade and didnt start until the age of 21.

    Dwight Qawi never even boxed amature and toom up boxing at 25.

    Jeff Chandler only had two amature fights, but yet was a great techinal fighter and never started until the age of 19.

    So I think your threoy is all wrong as i have proved
     
  15. Unforgiven

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    Doesn't really make much difference physically, if you're talented, dedicated, and put in the hours it takes to develop ability.

    Mentally it's a bit harder though, because someone who's in his 20s is already gotten used to other habits and lifestyle and mode of thinking as an adult, so he's got to be highly motivated from the get-go - it takes an even rarer type of individual than the dedicated talented athlete who starts as a boy (a rarity in itself). The flipside to that, of course, is that talented boxers who start young may well get bored and lose focus at exactly the wrong time.

    It all boils down to the individual.