Where do people stand on the Morales vs Pacquiao II weight issue?

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  1. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    True...pac also operates with a **** load of talent that no one else has the opportunity to enjoy but a Floyd Mayweathe or a Roy Jones Jr. Even as a 1 Demensional fighter PAC has the talent and natrual gifts to elevate him to the highest levels of the sport even if he was a one handed fighter.
     
  2. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Morales wasn't in his physical prime, was campaigning at two weight classes above his optimal division, and was openly having issues making the 130lbs limit. You could go as far to argue that Morales was never the same after his first fight with Barrera, his aura of invincibility was practically gone as a result. Morales lost handspeed up at Super Featherweight, all of this was evidenced in his relatively disappointing showing in the rubber match with his nemesis in 2004's fight of the year. It all adds up, and it all makes sense.

    These aren't excuses for Morales losing to Manny Pacquiao. I saw his gaunt look at the weigh in, and made the observation that Morales was not in good fighting conditioning. With that said, he did turn in a good performance - and the better man won on the night. That was Manny Pacquiao. Fighters often become shopworn over night, but in Morales case, I think it was time spent fighting unnecessary wars for over a decade, with cutting weight adding fuel to the fire. Morales time at elite level were finished when he lost to Raheem, a fighter he'd have handled a few years prior.
     
  3. Jeff Young

    Jeff Young Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    your an idiot:patsch

    a PRIME hatton walked through tszyu's deadly right hand...took collazo on short noticed ate the best he had, took urango's best body shots....and went 10 rounds against the best skilled fighter of his era mayweather....at the weight class he was not natural at....

    then after floyd he almost got KO'D against a lazcano, showing lack of punch resistance....and then he fought a light puncher in paulie that was a one-handed fighter...

    its clear as night and day that pacquiao got a faded hatton.....I never said he was shot like oscar, but clearly faded.....does manny get credit? yes....but nowhere is that as big as the morales, barrera wins....hell i rank pacquiao's ledwaba win very high, that was his break-out win so to speak..
     
  4. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    I'm asking you to stop talking like a 9 year old kid when discussing Boxing, but well observed, this is the Internet.
     
  5. bladerunner

    bladerunner El Intocable Full Member

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    People keep mention the Raheem fight as an example of Morales being shot but when did Morales ever fought someone with a style like Raheem?

    instead of being shot maybe he just fought someone who had the style to beat him.
     
  6. enzo

    enzo Greatest Of All Time Full Member

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    hatton that fought tzyu would have got up from that semi-coma a few minutes earlier but he's still gonna get KTFO! :lol:

    hatton got KTFO becuase of his style not because he was past it. He went on coma in just 2 rounds how can you judge him if he was past it.
     
  7. HyperBone

    HyperBone Silverback Gorilla Full Member

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    rating pacs win against hatton as equal to the 3rd morales fight is an insult tbh. its like saying hatton didnt really train properly for this fight, and mayweather sr didnt give a **** about him

    btw, prime or not or whatever, pac still spanks hatton like a ragdoll.
     
  8. boxbox

    boxbox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hmmn..so Morales fought an absolute Prime Pac the first time huh? safe to say Pac KTFO Hatton, Embarrassed DLH, and is fighting another prime Cotto in his "past his prime Pac" stage:think Move on man, i bet you'd give Pac his due as soon as he loses and praise him for achieving all these despite having no boxing talent whatsoever:tired
     
  9. enzo

    enzo Greatest Of All Time Full Member

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    i'm asking you not to take everything on the net seriously... your reacting at my post like a 7 year old kid.
     
  10. enzo

    enzo Greatest Of All Time Full Member

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    Raheem style pissed off Morales... He wasn't even hurt in that fight. He got "schooled" by a slick fighter.
     
  11. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    More of us use the Raheem fight an example for Morales declining to the point of not being able to compete at a level he had shown 2-3 years prior. Sure, Raheem had a style to trouble Morales, but Erik wasn't just beaten - he was completely dominated. Never before had Morales been handled like that, and Raheem is a B level fighter at best. The fact he'd never go on to win another prizefight, struggling with another B level fighter in Diaz - just goes to show how faded Morales had become.

    It doesn't take a genius to figure out that 15 years fighting wars is going to take its toll. Morales is human, just as Duran, Chavez, and Whitaker were - fighters who all had torrid times around their retirement phase.
     
  12. enzo

    enzo Greatest Of All Time Full Member

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    current pac is already past prime according to bigbone. :yep
     
  13. Jeff Young

    Jeff Young Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    please:lol:

    I have had fights with many people defending pac...even with the famous nallege on here accused me of being a *******:lol:

    but paulie still had a hurt hand in that fight, and he had mcgirt in his corner, which paulie looked like a rejuvenated man when he switced to younan.....hatton beat a light punching one handed figher last november....fact

    and yes lazcano meets the text book of journeyman...what's juan's best notable win? you can't name one...he was a tough opponent, but hatton ate tszyu's shots, took collazo on short notice, and went 10 rounds against mayweather....before getting rocked by lazcano....i said before i give manny credit, but to put it on the level of the first barrera fight, the second morales fight, the first marquez fight(I gave my card to manny), and even the ledwaba fight that was his break out performance is ridiculous....
     
  14. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    EM fighting above his optimal weight? If it was to be true, he would have been struggling to make 130 like you say. A lot has to do with EM ballooing up in between fights. It doesn't mean 122 was his "optimal" weight. I dont agree that after MAB/EM 1 EM wasn't the same. I felt he won in that fight and Mab should have won in the rematch. The rubber match they did get right regarding the scoring.

    The fight with Raheem I saw as a lackluster performance against a very difficult style. one that he took lightly. Speed gives EM problems and the fact they were anticipating a PAC rematch on the horizon I think he looked past Raheem. Big mistake. DLH did the same thing when he faced Strum.
     
  15. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    This will probably be your exact sentiment in the event Pacquiao loses in November.