Can a chin improve

Yeah he was...

Haye's chin is somewhere between questionable and glass.

 

mayweather was hurt by sweetpea who had pritty underrated power so theres no shame there IMHO he was also ko'd by rocky lokgridge but lockridge was a pritty awesome fighter himself so again theres no shame getting ko'd by him i think that fight was at 130 and mayweather was struggling to make the limit i could be wrong just my presumption.mayweather was a pritty damn good fighter back in the 80s his chin wasnt granite the guys he happened to face were excellent fighters who'd have ko'd most

 

It's interesting how opinions differ on this subject. Someone posted on here after Dunne lost last week that his chin is worse than Khan's. This is clearly not the case as Dunne was only ever stopped by heavy hitters in his own weight category while Khan has been floored by a relatively light puncher in Willie Limmond and badly hurt by Gomez who was a blown up super featherweight. Then he is on ***** street from a jab in the Prescott fight. It's interesting to note that he has also been put down as an amateur.


In fairness I don't see any difference in Khan with his move up in weight, I've seen nothing to suggest that his chin has improved. His defense is better which is what will probably be the deciding factor in his success at a higher level.

I can't think of any examples of a boxers chin improving with a move up in weight, I think it's more a case of stamina improving with the extra weight and if your stamina improves so does your chances of not getting ko'd.

 

Well he says he was struggling in evry weight division he was.

130 and 135 especially.

 

unless you train wae roger mayweather i doubt it

 

Cotto - he was all over the shop against Torres and did a dance against Corley despite dictating both fights

But Margarito had to beat him into bloody submission at 147 under extreme pressure and he never really looked wobbly

 

Good example.

 

a chin can only improve if u have some kind of equalizer like very good punch power, Terry Norris had a shameful chin and a reckless defence but he was able to make up for it with his blazing handspeed and very good power as well as decent footwork i think this is what's keeping haye in the picture his power evens it up so theres an equal chance of his opponent getting ko'd as there is him kissing the canvas

 

It's not impossible that Torres/Corley are different types of puncher to Margarito and that is where the difference lies. Logically Margarito should punch harder considering his size (and possible bricks) but Torres/Corley both have handspeed, and that makes a hell of a difference. Has there ever been a great puncher with slow hands? I think speed is a huge part of the equation for punching power, along with timing and leverage.

Margarito is more like Pavlik, its that thudding power but its not a sharp devastating power that can spark a guy out. I really think a lack of speed can bottleneck a fighters power even if they do everything else perfectly.

But hey, I'm just playing devils advoctate, in general I do agree that Cotto has looked a lot sturdier overall. The Mosley fight proved it to me even more than the Margarito one because Mosley is the type that I think would have hurt Cotto back in the day.

 

There is the speed vs heavy hands way of looking at it but I'm not sure I buy it in this case.

 

I do agree with the theory overall, I think Cotto has definitely improved as a result. I havn't seen his legs go all funny for a long time.

I would be interested to see Margarito hit a heavy bag and Torres/Corley hit a heavy bag at full power. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the latter two could deliver harder punches on a one off basis. Margarito could probably punch consistently harder (particularly with knuckle dusters )

 

I'd guess a lot of it is having time to "prepare" for the punch. You don't get that with the sharpshooters like you do with the likes of Margarito

 

Yeah it's the ones you don't see coming that hurt they say.
That's what Haye says,all the punches that dropped him he didn't see coming but he is in the upper echelons of the Official Glass Jaw Rankings and has been for some time and it's not for no reason.

 

To be honest there are some shots that placed in the correct spot would knock anybody out regardless of weight category. I think a perfectly placed punch to the temple or the tip of the jaw can sometimes be enough to render someone unconscious. It's taking punched on the cheek bones that I see the difference in most fighters. Duddy V Smichet is a classic example of that one. But the shot that Manny landed on Ricky for example - that would have put anyone to sleep.

 

de la hoya, cotto, pacman, muhammed Ali, barrera - obscure fighters like that