What Does Williams Have That Pavlik Hasn't Seen??

Williams go the crap beaten out of him by Margarito and was out boxed by Quintana. Pavlik is almost as tall as Williams and is much stronger.

 

just watched pav taylor I for about the umpteenth time. under no circumstance can pw hit pav with anything remotely resembling what jt threw absent a lead mace in his third arm. so okay, paul can throw on the move, but does anyone really think he can hit pav w/ anything that will prevent him from moving forward and walking pw down to the ropes?? (rhetorical i know b/c a lot of real good posters do and i respect that). the answer is no. on the move paul throws but its just for show, there is nothing on it.

anyone who thinks paul will be able to make pavlik stop moving forward just please, watch that fight again. if you still think paul can throw on the move w/ enough to stop pavlik from moving (which 180lbs of bhop was able to do) then fine, i respect that opinion.

yeah pav was moving forward against bhop...but when he was hit, he stopped. it was only after the punches were thrown that he gathered himself and moved in like a man. bhop was able to get off and get out and re set himself for the next onslaught (sadly, i just watched that again as well). no way does paul throw hard enough to make pav stop and gather himself

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this was done all night. pav moves in and w/ movement, timing and power, (not workrate, stamina and punch output) bhop was able to stop pav from moving forward enough that he could reset himself and just do in all over again. the old pav will walk down williams regardless of what williams throws or where he throws it from, and will walk over him on his way back to the locker room w/ a **** eatin i told you so look on his face.

(christ i just hope that hand truly is 100%....and i hope the layoff hasnt hurt him too much b/c yeah wwm, you are right, that could be a fact seeing how pw has spent his time making winky look bad)

 

you give up size and strenght like that ^^^...i don't care who you are and what you did at whatever weight class you came from...the ole wily fox is gonna cut you up bad. i know pav said in his interview that the size wasnt a factor, and who the **** am i to make excuses on his behalf (being a beach bum florida *******), but come on. that size and strength is what caused him to blink, gather himself and then move in unlike miranda where he just came in weathering whatever was thrown and didnt stop. paul needs to have that kind of sauce on his shots, IN ADDITION to whatever else everyone thinks he does to frustrate pav or else its all academic.

 

If that's true then Vitali "outlasted" Arreola, JuanMa "outlasted" Penalosa and Margarito "outlasted" Cotto. Call it that if you want, but it sounds perverse to me when Pavlik came right out of the traps and beat Miranda to the punch, landed cleaner, crisper, more accurate shots, out-toughed and out-powered him until Miranda's defence crubmled and he finished him off. It was about as comprehensive and all-round a beating as you could see in a fight; it wasn't just a slugfest where Miranda happened to run out of energy and suddenly give up.

The sum of this point seems to be that we can't be sure about what Williams has got. Obviously, yes. But, when you're making predictions, it makes sense to go back and look at a fighter's traits and see how they'll manifest themselves in the fight to come. Williams traits are that he hasn't got great power, defence or punch resistance below let alone at 160, and that makes it sensible to believe that Pavlik can dispense with him quite easily.

You can still apply what you have intelligently. He knew he had to back Miranda up and use his toughness and strength as well as more solid fundamentals to win a fight. That was thought an absurd game-plan by all those commentators for whom Miranda's punches were like nail bombs. He knew he needed to keep Taylor at range, out-jab him and take advantage of Taylor's low left hand with simple 1-2s. And, if you've seen the interviews, he recognises the strategic points in this fight: he is stronger, and should try and impose himself with straight punches to take advantage of PW's curly shots and lax defence.

That a boxer uses basic tools doesn't mean he can't fight intelligently: think Arguello.

There's simply no reason to believe that's true. Again: Williams is not particularly powerful, tricky, good at moving or tough. He uses his physical advantages and work rate to overwhelm his opponents before they have a chance to fire back. Against Pavlik, those advantages disappear; and if he wants to fight like he normally does, he'll end up exchanging with a far stronger fighter and will get KO'd early.

Pavlik inside 4.

 

atsch This just makes no sense. You're calling this fight based on things that have never happened. Margo isn't a big puncher at 147, yet he buzzed Williams pretty bad once he got a bit of urgency together. Pavlik is a big puncher at 160. 2 + 2 = ?

 

Here's a pretty good "picture" of how Pavlik has ALWAYS been a stiff fighter that throws NOTHING but the 1-2 or double jab-right. Also how as many pointed out, Pavlik goes into a shell when being thrown at:

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As you can clearly see, no hooks, uppercuts, use of distance...any of that ****..JUST the 1-2.:yep

 

williams is way faster then taylor but he want hit as hard.he throws a variety type of punches from all angles, not different angles, ALL ANGLES.the reach he has will be a plus if hes controlling the fight with a jab.its not that hard to imagine pw taking a page out of bhops book and writing a few pages himself and beat pavlik.

pw needs to worry about that 1,2 down the pipe.anyways pavlik by ko or pw by ud.

 

I call bull ****. Believe what you want. Watch Pavlik/Taylor 2 back to back with Williams/Wright and come back and see if you can say that with a straight face.

 

Of pavliks past opponents?

- who ever threw 1000+ punches in a fight?
- who ever had high class head, body & foot movement
- who were true inside fighters?
- who of them could through 4-7 punch combos at full speed
- who of them could fight a 12 round fight at the same pace
- who of them was as explosive and punched from so many awkward angles
- who of them can actually stick to a game plan
- who of them were something more then stand in front of you and walk you down fighters?
- now who of them takes all the things I listed and combines them?



- could bhop ever fight like paul williams?
- could jermian taylor ever fight like paul williams?
- could edison miranda ever fight like paul williams?
- could zertuche ever fight like paul williams?
- could rubio ever fight like paul williams?

... Just to answer your question

 

Miranda would sacrifice quality trying to achieven an out put of 1000+...not only that but 1000 looping hammer punches from miranda would be inefective.... Pauls quality remains the same throughout the figh
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The point is... Paul williams is totally unlike any of kellys past opponents... Win or lose

 

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B-Hop, most of Pavlik's up-and-coming opponents

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