Wlad Klitschko vs Max Baer

if this is the serious, motivated baer. then i think baer takes it.

 

the baer that fought carnera has a chance but i have to go for wlad to win a safety first decision.but with baer at the top of his game it is a lot closer than the klit fans will admit

 

Wlad by shutout decision. Baer's boxing skills and footwork are absolutely horrible, and he'd never get started, with that sick jab from Wlad. I'd pick Wlad by TKO (in any way you like, knockdowns, cuts, corner stoppage because he's not competitive, etc) in 10. Let's not forget that a WAY worse, weaker version of Wlad was winning most rounds against Baer with a broken ankle.

 

i was right:yep

 

1 - When did that happen? Last time i checked, Wlad, at worst, drew one round, and easily won every single other one. Just take a look:
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As you can see, Baer is using absolutely nothing that resembles defence and is WIDE open for the jab, which he has to eat all the time Carnera throws one. Joe Louis couldn't miss him with the jab, either - or with any punch, for that matter. I think it's a mismatch.

2 - We've seen before that Wlad can stay off the ropes for 12 rounds against a technically superior fighter in Peter (i know i sounds ridiculous, but just look at the film, Peter is actually capable of blocking punches instead of protecting his hips or whatever Baer does).

 

No problem, i will say that Baer has a puncher's chance, but i don't think it's a big one.


Also, while he certainly has a sturdy chin, i don't think it's going to mean that much. Louis stopped him in only 4 rounds with three knockdowns. Nova stopped him twice. What big, 210+lbs hitters did he survive? Carnera is the only one i can think of.

My impression was that Wlad lost or drew one round more because he was taking a round off. I'd give Baer a punchers chance, but other than that, i think it's a mismatch. Against a skilled boxer/puncher in Louis (who doesn't have the best of jaws, either, but great recuperative powers) it wasn't remotely close.

 

Carnera sprained his ankle ,and he did it because he was dropped by a thunderous right.How many rounds do you give Carnera ,given that he was down 11 times? Baer was actually sloppy against Carnera, he knew he had nothing to worry about and played to the gallery ,I think he could have stopped Primo early if he had gone to work on him .The Baer that stopped Campbell and Schmeling, has a great chance of koing Wlad [ I **** myself if you attack ],Klitschko.

 

It's been a while but i remember giving Carnera the majority of the rounds in which he didn't get knocked down.

Why is the Louis fight hardly fair to pick on? Baer trained his ass of and that's exactly what reports say, going into it. I think this fight is a good indication of what a modern boxer-puncher does to that defenceless low guard of his. Even Braddock embarrassed him. I don't think that was a fluke at all: if you watch the fight, you can see he's just being matched with a technically superior boxer, and that's all there is to it. The clowning excuses are just that: excuses.


As for the rushing Wlad thing: i don't really think it's that bad. Everyone has made their attempts at that and very few have succeeded. Maybe Wlad doesn't like Bear coming forward, but how does Baer feel about getting hit CONSTANTLY (he doesn't seem to be bothered by using defence) by someone who hits harder than anyone he's ever fought, outside of Louis? (who is on the same level)

Baer's stength and punching power set him apart for that time when there was very little talent at 210+lbs, but in more modern days he'd not get far with those lacking fundamentals.