Tony Ayala Jr. was a very exciting fighter...

I didn't forget to mention it. I actually posted the video.

Who is to say that Moore couldn't have done that to Ayala? Weir certainly seemed to have built a nice KO record with (more impressive) wins over common opponents as Ayala but he lost in his first big step-up.

Technically Mike Tyson looked very impressive.

 

Thanks for your correction. :good

In some of his early fights so did Ayala. My main point is, if Tyson's game was mainly overpowering his opponent and he succeeded with flying colors, why shouldn't Tony be given as much a chance at success too? After all, Mike's boxing idol was Tony, and used his style. The rest is history.

 

He only had 8 fights at 18 years old! He then got back up and took care of buisness. Damn pernell was dropped early in his career,Pryor many times too i can go on and on,about former greats who had rocky moments early on Delahoya,Armstrong,hopkins,Gomez etc etc.

 

Mikes fighting idols were Foreman, Louis and Kid Chocolate. Not Tony Ayala.

 

Dudeatsch I would have thought u would have known Duran was! That is pretty common knowledge to a lot of fans. Im sure Tyson had a lot of boxing heroes but this is always one of the first guys that comes out of tysons mouth when talking about his heroes:bart

 

I have respect for Tony, because he was one of the fighters I grew up seeing a lot of. He waAs a special kind of slugger who would have been above average, but he could be reached If a guy like McCallum or Jackson reached him, he would have been done for. Mugabi would have taken his head off. Tony is a good fighter, but let's get real. The only reason he is a semi-legend is because his career was cut short because of his sickness. He was beatable. An A-level boxer will always beat an A-level Slugger

 

Fair enough. My point is I've never heard of him referencing Ayala. Unless of course it was the ****** part that inspired him

Looks like I've got someone else constantly pulling me up for schooling ******s, thanks:good

 

Yes, those guys too, but here's something of note.

BOXING; From Behind Bars, Ayala Sounds A Warning Aimed Right at Tyson

By PHIL BERGER

Published: Sunday, September 8, 1991

One night over dinner soon after he won the heavyweight title in 1986, Mike Tyson was recounting for an acquaintance his impressions of a junior middleweight named Tony Ayala.
His memories had been formed a few years earlier, when Tyson was an amateur not long removed from a juvenile-detention center in upstate New York and Ayala appeared headed for a shot at the world title. As Tyson conjured up the fighter Ayala had been, his eyes grew wide and his voice took on a childlike awe.
Tony Ayala -- wow!" he said. "Ferocious."
In Ayala, Tyson had seen a fighter who, like himself, didn't just beat opponents but had a consuming need to destroy their will.
When in action, Ayala, a Mexican-American out of San Antonio, shared Tyson's indifference for the bell that ended a round, and often continued battering a foe after it sounded. In 1981, when he fought Jose Luis Baltazar, who had the temerity to insult Ayala's mother before the match, Ayala knocked Baltazar down and then spat on him.
For Tyson, the anger and abandon of Ayala struck a responsive chord. Though he was not personally acquainted with Ayala, he viewed him as a pugilistic soul mate.

 

Good information. Thanks :good genuinely interesting tidbit.

However, doesn't mean Tyson was 'inspired' by him. Also, as you can see, when Tyson stopped employing his nuances and went for all out aggression his career went downhill.

Ayala is the Valero fo his day. Loved by many for his explosive power and supposedly with nuances we have 'yet to see' that he will employ 'when he has to'. Bull IMO, although Ayala is much more impressive on film than Valero.

 

zzzz...

 

And?????

You are obviously never going to be swayed, you have your opinions and I have mine. You obviously don't care what others think, but as TheGReatA showed, your nuthugging can be easily dissected.

You seem a nice guy so I'm not going to 'flame' you, but Ayala does not match up well AT ALL in H2H 154 battles. Simple as. Regardless of 'potential' he doesn't even have the Ibeabuchi 'free pass' because we never saw him tested against a decent opponent.

it's as simple as that, as previously stated I'm all for a 'super puncher' taking apart seemingly unhurtable opponents, but looking at his style/technique Ayala was not it.

Sorry but that's my opinion.

 

just fighting sleep apnea...

 

All GreatA showed is that he has opinions. Comparing Charlie Weir to Tony Ayala, KO for KO, doesn't prove me wrong or dissect anything. Andy Price beat Cuevas and SRL beat Andy Price, so does that mean Leonard bombs out Cuevas in 1 round too? Nitpicking about how Tony finished his fights is the only ground you have to stand on.

What do you mean "flame" me? Even if you did, that only shows your obvious intolerance of anybody with an opinion you don't like. Doesn't mean I'm wrong!

Just as you say I overhype Ayala, you have absolutely no proof that Tony wouldn't have been dominant at 154. Realistically, only Hearns and Julian Jackson have a chance, given comparable power.

 

Exactly. It's NOT realistic, you have nothing to base this on. NOTHING. hence why no one (bar the 'tards) agree with you.

**** it, let's agree to disagree on this thread, it's received far too many replies for what is essentially a nothing thread, I've made my point, you've made yours, I think it's clear who has made the valid points and who hasn't.

 

What do you mean lesser guys? How do you figure the top middleweight contenders as lesser when they're proving themselves within their own weight class? If anything, Tony would run into more trouble with bigger, stronger, tougher fighters than some scrawny welterweights. And you can forget about Moore. Tony would punch him holes in him in Lupe Aquino like fashion. DOnt you know Moore was there to be hit???

Don't you people know anything??

And Duran, too old too slow to contend with Tony who was on the way up. Besides, it's not even his weight. He'd be disadvantaged; Tony would go after him instead of boxing passively like Hagler.

Duran reminded me of Tony back when Duran was in his early years. Similar to my pit bull who is nine years old now. Still in decent shape but back when he was three, he'd run across my back yard like a rocket towards anything that moved.

Hearns back in 82, I have a feeling Tony would be too strong for him at the time. Tommy tends to fade in pressure situations