Joe Louis vs. Vitali Klitschko

I wouldn't say Williams was training hard. He came in as a 270 pound slob to the Vitali fight, only his determination kept him in the fight for 8 rounds.

 

I stopped reading here.

 

Flea & Great A.,

I know Williams is heavy at 265 to 270 pounds, but the bloke seemingly was able to handle and carry it against "Tyson & Klit" back in 2003 & '04......... No way in hell could Williams take them punches and go the rds if he was merely training off his couch at home ripping farts to episodes of CSI: Miami while drinking Soda Pop and snacking on Corn Chips...... Cheers.....

MR.BILL:roll:

 

My god, I must log out immediately :rofl

 

Either way you are missing the main point.

Williams was not a world class fighter just a commonwealth grade heavyweight who had the good fortune to sare a ring with an empty shell of Mike Tyson at the right time.

If Williams is one of Klitscko's best wins it merely undermines how thin his resume is.

 

Janitor, thank you. Watch Williams fight last week, or his erformance against Sinan Sam. Good but not a major scalp on any resume you'd be willing to place in the top ten of a division as Bill does.

 

I'd say the best compact puncher ever, at heavyweight.
That to me is the beauty of Louis. We can say this is a different era with modern athletes, modern training methods and whatnot, but show me a heavyweight that ever threw those short, sharp combos like Louis.
Tyson comes close, but who else?

That final knockdown of Max Baer was pugilistic art.

 

Danny Williams is not a great fighter by any means and his career has been racing into the crapper eversince 2006........ However, I still like Danny Boy, but I wouldn't pay for his contract at this juncture.... BUT HE IS NOT A *****!!

Danny Williams would hang tuff and beat many of those "Louis" bums and limited foe's like " Bob Pastor, Tony Galento, Jack Roper, Tami Mauriello, Johnny Paychek & Louis Nova," etc... So let's not rag on Danny Williams too hard.........

MR.BILL

P.S.

Nove made his mark by beating Maxie Baer 2 X as Baer was aging and faded by 1940 or so......

 

Louis's oppositon consisted to over 50% of cruiserweights by today's standards. Schmeling, Braddock and the many lesser small fighters Louis fought would never land a punch on Vitali. Louis was great in his era, but not more dominant than Vitali is now, Louis got knocked down sometimes against small guys, Vitali never got knocked down, never lost more than two rounds in a fight. Louis was a great combination puncher but didn't have the footwork and lightening speed to get close enough to apply his best weapon on Vitali.

And for the idiot who said it would be like Louis - Carnera: Carnera was a circus strongman with no background in boxing, Vitali was a very good amateur schooled in a Russion boxing boarding school since his teenage years. Except size, Carnera and Vitali have nothing in common.

Finally, if you give Vitali the light gloves of the 1930's his arm punches will be more powerful or if you put the bigger gloves of today on Louis, he will have less power.

 

10-4....... Yepper.......:good

But Louis actually fought with quality gloves of 8 0z.'s.... Come the late 70s or early 80s the heavies were using 10 0z. mits........

BenLee made a good glove for the fighters by the 1930s.........:bbb

MR.BILL

 

The gloves "Johnson & Dempsey" used sucked long pool stick......... Louis was fortunate to have used a real pro made glove / gloves during his career........

MR.BILL

 

Louis is the most dominant heavyweight of all time.
Vitali is a partial beltholder...and that's it.
Louis was WORLD champion for almost as long as Vitali has been a pro. Longer, if you take away the four years Vitali was out.
Not more dominant than Vitali? Please.
You can cite knockdowns and whatnot, but 25 defences and nearly 12 years equals major ownage on a scale not seen since.

Carnera, while not as good as Vitali by any means, does have some similarities is size and style that one can draw inferences from.

And lastly, the gloves of today, while being bigger, are actually more punch friendly than those old gloves Louis fought with. They have better wrist support, and look at the way the hands are wrapped...it's like putting concrete into a glove.

 

Roberto Duran was a wrestler before he took up boxing.

Does that mean that Duran was just a wrestler who turned to boxing?