Joe Louis vs. Vitali Klitschko

I dont think he'd beat all those guys. I remember when Williams was younger and at his best, he was getting outclassed by Samil Sinan Sam, going 1-1 with Julius Francis, was about even with Michael Sprott. Ok, he beat a shot Tyson and a quick win over fringe prospect Kali Meehan, but he wasn't a real world contender by any stretch.
Mauriello, Pastor and Nova were classy far more consistent fighters than Danny Williams.
Williams was game, but slow, fat, ponderous and incredibly lethargic.

 

If you see no similarities between Vitali's style of fighting and Primo's I can only say you need to watch some Primo Carnera boxing fiims. When Louis fought Carnera, Primo already had 88 pro fights under his belt, and was a former linear heavyweight champion. I think he was a bit more than a circus strongman.

As for the "idiot" part, that's the talk of a small minded person. I can't help you there other than to encourage you to grow up before you say something like that to the wrong person...in person...where it could cause you much grief. :good

 

GreatA, I think your are missing my points. Again, I question Louis as a boxer when he's in there with other boxers. In fact he struggled a lot vs the best boxers he faced, which for the most part were not even in Vitali's zip code. Here are my reply comments.

>>Well a 1st round Ko means power, but when Louis and Schmeling boxed 12, Louis won maybe 2 rounds and looked very poor on defense.

I was referring to the 2nd fight between Walcott, and Louis, and yes, Walcott was well in the lead. The first Walcott vs. Louis fight was a ROBBERY. I have seen all highlights, and most of the rounds in their full 3 minute format. Walcott won it clean. Watch it sometimes, Louis receives a thunderous boo by the crowd, and though he is annoucned the winner via crooked judging Louis body language is that of the loser.

I suppose so, but Charles really made him look bad.

In the context of modern boxing that is a Crusier weight. Farr who lost quite a bit won several rounds vs Louis and stunned the bomber. It was an embarrassing performance by a prime Louis, and Farr never got a re-match.

If you saw the entire first fight, then you must acknowledge that Louis did not land enough punches to win the first match between the two.

How many rounds did you give Pastor, and surely you can see how a fighter who can move gave Louis major trouble. Vitali of course covers a lot of ground too.

Conn wasn't spent, he pressed it and when for the KO. Louis is lucky this was not a 12 round fight. Even though Conn lost he like many other top boxer movers that Louis fought exposed his flaws. That is, slow feet with a predictable shuffle, a stick you face forward stance, a low left, and the in ability to hit moving targets.

I respect you as a poster. If you want to have a separate thread on this topic, it could be interesting as I have plenty of data to insert above and beyond this post.

-M

 

I was talking about the second fight. Those were the scorecards at the time of the 11th round knockout.

Going fifteen rounds against a great, younger champion while years past your peak and having barely trained for the bout isn't too bad. Most heavyweights today probably couldn't dream of going 15 rounds at the pace Louis and Charles fought at.

Doesn't stop Eddie Chambers (6 feet tall, 208 pounds) from being a top 10 ranked heavyweight today though.

It wasn't embarrassing in my view.

I remember watching a documentary where a young Mike Tyson was watching the fight and he was highly impressed by both fighters. Neither "ran" from each other.

Godoy's spoiling tactics weren't enough to win the bout in my opinion.

I can assure you that Vitali would not fight like this:

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Pastor was not just moving, he was simply avoiding any contact whatsoever.

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Conn had his best moments in the fight by taking the fight to Louis on the inside with combinations. Louis's body punching has very much been over-looked in this bout.

The end came when Louis repeatedly beat Conn to the punch with right hands and hurt him, something he had not been able to do earlier in the bout. Surely it must have been because Conn had slowened down.

 

At what age was Duran a wrestler? All I remember reading was that he dealt in newspapers and small time hood stuff in a gang of street urchins before hitting the El Maranon gym as a 14 year old. When did this wrestling career fit in beforehand? I know he did some wrestling acts later while an active boxer.

Meanwhile, Carnera earned an adult's living as a circus strongman before getting recruited to be a "boxer". His boxing career occurred after his boxing career.

 

Christ, Duran turned pro in boxing at age 16 for cryin' out loud............ Wrestler? My ass..... Streetfighter? Well, okay........

MR.BILL

 

Duran as a wrestler?! His bio never mentioned that. Do u know what ur talking about. He was a street kid from 3rd world Panama.

 

Ah, yeah, i agree that it's not about race. It's about nationality.

 

MR. BILL,

Vitali has boxed 174 rounds ( 10 world title fights and counting ) as a professional boxer, and lost maybe 8-9 total rounds. This rounds won to rounds lost ratio towers over the very best boxers in heavyweight history. Even over Ali and Holmes.

In fact Vitali's rounds won to rounds lost ratio might be the best in comparison to ATG's in any weight class. I'd have to research that.

The truth is Joe Louis lost more than a total of 8-9 rounds to Tommy Farr and Bob Pastor alone!!!! GASP. And Pastor and Farr would not win more than 2 combined rounds at best vs. Vitali.

 

The point is this probably wouldn't be the case if he fought better opposition.

 

Lewis is an ATG. Byrd was #1 Ring Magazine ranked. Peter was #2 Ring Magazine Ranked. Sanders was #3 Ring Magazine Ranked.

My point two fold. Vitlai has fought his share of highly ranked guys, and most of the guys Louis fought, and lost multiple rounds to would not be ranked highly today. The guys who Louis fought that would be ranked today won multiple rounds vs him.

 

...So what you're effectively saying is that Vitali is better than Sugar Ray Robinson in a pound for pound sense, since he lost less rounds than Robinson did after a similar amount of fights??

Again, I ask you: Would those statistics hold up in the 90's, the 80's or the 70's?

 

What has Vitali done which has 30-odd people on this board saying he'd beat Louis? For me it's nuts. Vitali already decisively lost to the best opponent he faced (an all time great in Lewis, yes, but Lennox was 37 and came into the fight well out of shape). Vitali still wasn't that far up on points, still he got shaken to his boots on occasions and got his his face bashed in by a seemingly disinterested Lewis and rightfully stopped. What would a tip-top, straining at the leash Louis, who's the greatest composite and combination puncher in the divisions history do to Vitali? I shudder to think. It would be a brutal stoppage. Vitali would be lucky to see the bell for the start of the 4th.

 

Vitali fights bums.

The very fact that Sam Peter was ranked #2 in the world by RING magazine should be proof positive that the quality of heavyweights stink. It's glaringly obvious.

I give Vitali Klitschko full credit for being a good fighter, and I really didn't expect him to come back after that 4-year layoff and injuries. So he's certainly a remarkable fighter. But the opposition stinks. All his opponents lately have been overweight, or untested, or both. Next up for him is Kevin Johnson. It's a bum-a-month.