Was David Haye Undisputed Cruiserweight Champion? Please vote!

Definitely.
When looking back at somebodys record,surely you'd place more significance on who he fought/beat rather than what alphabet titles were at stake

 

The ABC titles aren't too relevant here. To say that the IBF title holder could dispute Haye's claim is as ridiculous as saying that a three fight novice could also dispute his claim, on the basis that it is his own personal opinion that he is better than Haye. Absurd. Haye was undisputed champ, clearly. And he was announced as such too.

 

No, its not at all. What a load of crap.

 

By definition you cannot be an undisputed champion, as you would never fight, because no one would dispute your claim...

But that is literal

Haye was:

'The Generally Considered Cruiserweight Champion of the World'

 

Linear - yes.

Undisputed - no.

Not sure it makes any difference in reality.

 

Can't believe people are still debating this, he wasn't undisputed champion. If you're going to debate anything, debate the importance of alphabet titles and the relevance of the term "undisputed".

 

:good

 

That's not the arguement at all, Djoc. Someone can be an 'undisputed champ' and still have a thin resume. Of course records mean more but this is another debate entirely. Almost 90-20 now. I'm suprised this thread is still going, TBH.

 

I'm surprised at how many people have voted incorrectly.

 

Why? As I said before, the WBA's guidelines on the matter are in print for all to see. Everyone else seems to be staunchly supporting an outdated opinion they hold.

 

I'm amazed. This isn't an opinion issue or a gray area where we should ask how prestigous the IBF belt was, whether Haye was a better fighter than Cunningham etc.

Its whether you understand what the word "undisputed" means, not what you want it to mean or whether Haye deserved to be undisputed champ.

 

No..

 

So the WBA draw an arbitary line in the sand and everyone is supposed throw away the univerally used definition of the word "undisputed"?

 

Yes.







This thread has gone on for too long now- we're all going round in circles.

 

There are no circles, its a straight line if anything. He wasn't an undisputed champion, thats all there is to it. The only argument is how much it matters in this context. I'd say not a whole lot, but then again if he spent some of the time that he has wasted doing nothing at heavyweight fighting for the IBF title against Steve Cunningham there wouldn't even be a discussion.