2008 Sam Peter v. 1988 Carl Williams

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  1. Unforgiven

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    Peter's not much of a puncher though. Just a heavy-handed slow clubber. He's KO'd one top 10 fighter in his entire career, Oleg Maskaev, who was no great shakes himself.
    I saw an washed-up Carl Williams go into the 10th round against a very good Frank Bruno (who was much better than Peter), and he didn't get decked until the 10th and it was stopped when he got on his feet. I'm doubtful Peter could even floor a prime Williams with those slow looping punches of his.
     
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  2. ChrisPontius

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    I'd pick Williams by UD to beat this slow, disinterested version of Peter, but the 2004 Samuel who was superconfident and a wild bull, i'd pick to knock Williams out. Williams basically lost all his important fights because of his susceptible durability - the Holmes one aside of course.
     
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  3. The Mongoose

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    These thread starters are doing some serious cherry picking. Of course Tyson at this stage has a better resume than Vitali. Wlad and Tyson on the otherhand are more comparable.

    I say:

    Unification:

    Byrd vs. Berbick
    Chageav vs. Smith
    Sultan vs. Tucker

    Old Timers:

    Mercer vs. Holmes lol

    Defenses:

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    Grudge Match:

    Ruddock vs. Peter

    Conquerors

    Sanders vs. Douglas
    Brewster vs. Holyfield

    Tyson still has a slight edge but much more fair and interesting I think.
     
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  4. DamonD

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    Hey, I'm quite looking forward to the '1985 Vitali vs 1985 Tyson, Who Wins?' thread. That's the kind of silliness you have to admire.
     
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  5. Unforgiven

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    What sense would that thread make ?
     
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  6. The Kurgan

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    Williams TKO. I think his power is underrated, while he has a longer reach and MUCH fast hands/feet than Sam. It's hard to see how Peter could even land measuring shots on Williams, while Peter has nothing defensively that could give The Truth any difficulty at all. It would be like a battle between a sniper and a knife master.
     
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  7. The Kurgan

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    Yeah: why compare a blown-up cruiserweight with an ATG heavyweight like Vitali?
     
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  8. Unforgiven

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    :lol:
     
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  9. Quitali Bitchko

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    :rofl
     
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  10. DamonD

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    14-year-old Vitali is going down and he's going down hard :p
     
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  11. Unforgiven

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    I still dont see the significance of using a 14-year-old Vitali ? :huh
    :lol:
     
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  12. fists of fury

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    These threads were a not-so-subtle (but effective) way of illustrating the Klitschko brother's weak competition.
    Did I just state the obvious?
     
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  13. Unforgiven

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    They are that. But my intention is really to find out what people really think about it.

    I read lots of stuff on threads defending Vitali's opposition in a very general sense - "His crop of contenders is probably as good as 80s alphabet champs", "A few years from now people will be saying these guys were pretty good", "These are good solid young contenders, hungry modern heavyweights" etc. etc.
    Ok, fair enough, I think, so I want to be taught the specifics of what people think. But when it comes to specifics of "the best Vitali beat" versus, say, some average contenders from the 1980s, not many come forward to show where Vitali's opposition is as good or better than !

    I'd rather not just be proving a point, I'd rather be learning from the fans of Arreola, Peter, Gomez, Sanders et al., why they rate these fighters as a decent crop and maybe being persuaded a little bit that these guys are better than I thought. But it seems that there a few who will really stand up and say, "look 2004 Corrie Sanders beats these top guys Tyson or Holyfield beat ..... A,B,C,D,E ... and here's why .....". It all goes silent when you look for that sort of specific estimation of the fighters' relative abilities.
     
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  14. Holmes' Jab

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    Williams wide decision.
     
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  15. fists of fury

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    Totally agree.
    The usual argument is something like: 'they were rated in the top 10' or 'they were unbeaten' - neither which counts for much in this era, unfortunately.
    If anything, it illustrates just how bad things are.
     
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