Was David Haye Undisputed Cruiserweight Champion? Please vote!

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  1. trotter

    trotter Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Another red herring. It's undisputed champion. So only other champions dispute your claim to be champion of the world.

    As Cobbler says, there are so many belts now it's become impossible to achieve and therefore irrelevant. But that's what it means.
     
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  2. KERRZO

    KERRZO Glass Jaw Full Member

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    Yes
     
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  3. Neverchair

    Neverchair Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He did hold all the belts (although not the IBF at the same time as the others) and beat the best out there on their own turf.

    You can argue the technicalities all day if you like but thats really just nitpicking.

    To all intents and purposes Haye was regarded by most as the undisputed champion.
     
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  4. sitiyzal

    sitiyzal ................. Full Member

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    Considering Bell never lost the IBF belt in the ring, Mormeck & Haye had a greater claim to it than Cunnigham.
     
    sitiyzal, Oct 8, 2009
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  5. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    But even so, we have never had an Undisupted World Champion, because someone will always dispute a claim...
     
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  6. trotter

    trotter Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No, the origins of the undisputed term in this context come from having 2 governing bodies. Hence who the 'champion' is was in dispute.

    Not the same as having challengers.
     
    trotter, Oct 8, 2009
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  7. whatcouldabeen

    whatcouldabeen Guest

    yes he was
     
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  8. trotter

    trotter Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's at this point I'm giving up

    It couldn't be more black and white, he didn't own all the belts, hence he wasn't

    If people can't distinguish between 'undisputed' and 'widely regarded as,' that's their problem lol
     
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  9. indie_uk1

    indie_uk1 Kong is King Full Member

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    Judging by Kerzo's picture i think we can alla gree that he was undisputed chammpion

    **** the ibf title! Job done , argument over.....
     
    indie_uk1, Oct 8, 2009
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  10. whatcouldabeen

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    put that in your pipe and smoke it! :good
     
    whatcouldabeen, Oct 8, 2009
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  11. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    So you are, if I understand, going for the literal interpretation that someone is not undisputed if there is someone else holding something that calls itself a world title? Ie. Hopkins would not have been considered undisputed even after beating De La Hoya, because Eugenio Monteiro held the WBU 'World Title'. Whereas others would have considered Hopkins 'undisputed champion' even before he added the WBO title to the three he already held...
     
    Cobbler, Oct 8, 2009
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  12. whatcouldabeen

    whatcouldabeen Guest

    what a loada cobblers, if you don't mind me saying :good
     
    whatcouldabeen, Oct 8, 2009
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  13. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    Are you still here? Planning to actually contribute anything to the forum at any point?
     
    Cobbler, Oct 8, 2009
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  14. PaddyD1983

    PaddyD1983 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It really does discombobulate my brain that this is still raging on.

    Haye did not hold the IBF ergo he was not undisputed.

    Close thread.
     
    PaddyD1983, Oct 8, 2009
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  15. whatcouldabeen

    whatcouldabeen Guest

    no pun intended
     
    whatcouldabeen, Oct 8, 2009
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