Was David Haye Undisputed Cruiserweight Champion? Please vote!

Another red herring. It's undisputed champion. So only other champions dispute your claim to be champion of the world.

As Cobbler says, there are so many belts now it's become impossible to achieve and therefore irrelevant. But that's what it means.

 

Yes

 

He did hold all the belts (although not the IBF at the same time as the others) and beat the best out there on their own turf.

You can argue the technicalities all day if you like but thats really just nitpicking.

To all intents and purposes Haye was regarded by most as the undisputed champion.

 

Considering Bell never lost the IBF belt in the ring, Mormeck & Haye had a greater claim to it than Cunnigham.

 

But even so, we have never had an Undisupted World Champion, because someone will always dispute a claim...

 

No, the origins of the undisputed term in this context come from having 2 governing bodies. Hence who the 'champion' is was in dispute.

Not the same as having challengers.

 

yes he was

 

It's at this point I'm giving up

It couldn't be more black and white, he didn't own all the belts, hence he wasn't

If people can't distinguish between 'undisputed' and 'widely regarded as,' that's their problem lol

 

Judging by Kerzo's picture i think we can alla gree that he was undisputed chammpion

**** the ibf title! Job done , argument over.....

 

put that in your pipe and smoke it! :good

 

So you are, if I understand, going for the literal interpretation that someone is not undisputed if there is someone else holding something that calls itself a world title? Ie. Hopkins would not have been considered undisputed even after beating De La Hoya, because Eugenio Monteiro held the WBU 'World Title'. Whereas others would have considered Hopkins 'undisputed champion' even before he added the WBO title to the three he already held...

 

what a loada cobblers, if you don't mind me saying :good

 

Are you still here? Planning to actually contribute anything to the forum at any point?

 

It really does discombobulate my brain that this is still raging on.

Haye did not hold the IBF ergo he was not undisputed.

Close thread.

 

no pun intended