Joe Louis vs. Vitali Klitschko

Yeah, he struggled so much, he knocked out 21 of 25 challengers - 17 by count out.
You have a very odd definition of 'struggling.'

As for his competition not being as good as Vitali's...I think we're entering the twilight zone on that one.
Name me a fighter the caliber of Max Schmeling or Jersey Joe Walcott that Vitali has beaten.

 

BOLD: True.

 

Dont' get me wrong - Holmes' title reign, and overall legacy, is far ahead of Vitali's, as his only consisted of beating Sanders and Williams (was supposed to be Tyson, but then Williams knocked him out).

I can't agree with you here. Holmes struggling with the likes of Weaver, Norton, Witherspoon, Williams, etc has little to do with the busy schedule but more so with the opponents. Outside of Tyson, no champion has ever destroyed decent opposition as well as Vitali did and i think this is one area where he has one up on Holmes.

You're talking about him pulling out of fights with injuries, but let's not forget that he is 38 year old and coming off a 4 year lay-off, yet still completely dominating his opponents. I think that carries a lot more value than Holmes being 28 years old and having his usual excuses about the flu and fighting the great Scott Frank three months ago.

Agreed - the post layoff accomplishments are not for the title if you ask me, and therefore should not be considered.

 

Agree with this to an extent. When he does lose they will be upset, I won't

 

:shock:
What about Ali ? Louis ? Liston ? etc. etc.

Well, you dont disagree with me point about Holmes having a larger body of work.
So let's wait until Vitali has 15+ title wins (he's on 2 or 5 now, depending on our standard, let's say 5 though) and we'll see how well he dominated or struggled against those men.
Holmes had a run of 4 or 5 title fights where he did NOT struggle too, so the argument means nothing as of now.
Both Vitali's active reigns amount to 2 years total and 5 fights. Holmes was 21 wins in 7 years.
We'll see how dominant Vitali is over the long course when he gets there. :good

 

power shots are thrown about the height of your shoulder
they are weakened as the height and distance grow bigger , they loose the force of the push.
if valuev (or even vitali) stood still and louis on his toes , maybe (with valuev) they could take a picture of louis and vitali standing and louis hand touches vitali's chin.
in a fight it can't happen , vitali doesn't have to move a lot (but does need to move a little , unlike the state in the picture scenario) to make louis unable to reach his head.

it is a huge problem that is the (majority of the) reason of the success of bigger men in boxing.

i don't need to understand louis' style to understand why he will get stopped by vitali , just like a barehanded man can't fight a sniper's platoon (with rifles) from 1km , regardless his style.

and i don't understand his style to the extent you detailed.

if marciano

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KO'd louis why do you think bell wouldn't. did louis ever faced a brawler of bell's caliber ?
he did , that was marciano , and we know the outcome.
bell was bigger than marciano , and it was easier for him reaching louis , that wouldn't have mattered too much , since he was a brawler.
i am not considerring bell the favorite just saying he would have ended
a 3 fights series with louis like this :
2(1):1(1) for louis , which is a very realistic chance for bell to win.

did the gloves being used in louis' time were like today ?
if so , toney could handle holyfield , guinn , jirov .
was louis made of another matter ? do you think he had more power than a GH'd roided well trained evander ?
if not - toney's punches would have taken a bigger toll on louis than what they took on evander.
toney would evade most of louis' punches , take the rest not any worse than any other opponent louis ever had , land his own , and win.
maybe by decision maybe by stoppage.
a prime toney (not the one who fought oquendo and batchelder) ,
would end a 3 fight series with louis like this : 2(1):1(0) for toney.
so , i really consider toney the favorite.
tyson (prime) would have massacred louis easier than marciano did.
about qawi , i am not so sure , but i give him more than a cat in hell chance.

and **** , i forgot : tua vs. louis ? i'll make a thread out of it.

 

Louis wouldn't get past the jab. Louis, a great offensive boxer, is wide open defensively. It's a straight right hand that knocks out Louis, maybe after several knockdowns. It happens pretty early.

 

Christ, we are all beating this thread into the ground like a dead horse....... But I'm kool with that....... Peace......

MR.BILL

 

Different eras, completely different fighters physically.

Joe Louis ranks higher all time, but he would get it. He was a very basic fighter who relied on distance and timing, he may have clocked Vitali with a couple of decent right hands, if they don't get Vitali stretched, I see the physical advantages of Vitali winning the fight for him.

Vitali TKO late.

Joe Louis is still the far more accomplished boxer.:bbb

 

The thread has gotten it's 2nd wind...

 

Some of Frankenfrank's arguments are baffling to say the least.

 

I present you with objective facts and records of two fighters you wished to compare and you present more hackneyed opinion. Unfortunately, your estimation of Vitali does not jive with the best trainers in the business. This, sir, leaves you with nothing substantial for an argument.

 

41 people here honestly believe a prime Vitali Klitschko could beat a prime Joe Louis? WTF? :admin

The people who voted for Vitali to beat Joe should have their boxing fan patches ripped from their uniforms, be smacked in the face with an empty boxing glove, have their boxing viewing privileges suspended for at least one year, and be forced to bow down to a photograph of Joe Louis and beg for forgiveness!

 

They should also be covered in treacle and then rolled repeatedly in a heap of coal dust.