Eubank Overrated?

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by essexboy, Oct 9, 2009.


  1. essexboy

    essexboy The Cat Full Member

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    I think this is likely. Eubank gets overrated for me because of his one win over Nigel Benn. His first fight with Michael Watson was very close but he was being beaten badly in the second fight, winning only via a miracle punch which won him the bout. Lets look at Eubank's other results in big matchups. Eubank holds wins over world champions Nigel Benn, Thulani Malinga, Lindell Holmes and Graciano Rocchigiani whilst losing twice to Steve Collins and Carl Thompson and being defeated by Joe Calzaghe. Hardly enough to set the world alight. I have no doubt Eubank had talent but in my eyes he didnt make the most of it. He made his record mostly on bums and got controversial decisions against mediocre opponents. Does anyone agree Eubank didnt make the most of his exceptional talent?
     
  2. BamBam

    BamBam The Brick Fist Mafia Full Member

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    One of the best Brits of all time, world class while not being the undisputed king of his division. I think he's probably rated fairly, maybe just a little over rated.

    He got a few of gift decisions. Close x 2 (1 draw) and Malinga come to mind. Can't remember them all now (blame the beer) but there were more also the Dan Sherry fight was a disgrace. Sherry had his number and Eubank basically butted his way to a win. Bull**** victory IMO.

    Still, a very nice boxer. Good power , good defence, good chin and huge heart. And also, and lets not forget we are fans of a minority sport here whether we like it or not, he was one of those people who got Joe Punters attention. He appealed to the masses and made them pay attention and thats no bad thing
     
  3. kosaros

    kosaros Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This thread is not going to go down as well as your last one :p

    I have said it before that between Benn and Eubank, Eubank has the better record at middle, Benn has the better record at super-middle and Benn has the better record overall - albeit only just.

    And yes, Eubank's talents were wasted to a degree.
     
  4. doug.ie

    doug.ie 'Classic Boxing Society' Full Member

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    the losses came late on in fairness....and malinga in piticular was a handful for everyone he fought apart from roy jones..
    and the watson tragedy had an affect on him, that was early enough into his reign...
    but yes, he did make the most out of the previously lowly regarded wbo belt without ever having to venture into the murky waters of jones, nunn, toney or mccallum
     
  5. Primadonna Kool

    Primadonna Kool Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don't think it was a miracle punch which stopped Michael Watson...

    Eubank was a warrior, and lets not descredit the man...

    He got up off the floor, to nail Michael Watson in the rematch...Chris Eubank did not come to loose...!

    Greatness is greatly misunderstood.

    Great Athlete's...perform when they have to, Chris Eubanks moment was against Nigel benn in their first fight.

    Sometimes in sport, you have moments WHEN you have to perform.................moments that will cement you for ever......and you only get one chance..!

    Mike Tyson did it against Trevor Berbick...

    Muhammad Ali did it against George Foreman...

    And Chris Eubank did it against Nigel Benn...

    Over 15 Million people watched that event live, it is still the biggest boxing event that has EVER happened in Great Britian..

    And no other fight will ever come close..!

    I was in my local Weather Spoons the other day, having something to eat..

    "And my friends dad..brought up the Nigel Benn vs Chris Eubank I fight...in a convo"

    Nearly two decades later...
     
  6. essexboy

    essexboy The Cat Full Member

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    I dont aim to please, I aim to give my humble opinion. Eubank's resume is awful considering his talents. The fact he beat Benn and still I consider Benn ahead of him is an example to how wasted his talents were. Nobody can deny his record is exceptionally poor. Should have gone to America and showcased his talents. Im not afraid of being controversial. :cool:
     
  7. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Not really. Considering how you went ape**** over Benn in your other thread I don't see how you can do anything other than something similar for Eubank.

    Firstly they made each other and secondly there is very little in their achievements.
     
  8. essexboy

    essexboy The Cat Full Member

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    Indeed a great punch but he was being beaten badly prior to that uppercut from hell. One win against Benn is not good enough for me, it was a great domestic fight but he should have moved on from there, he didnt. He failed.
     
  9. BamBam

    BamBam The Brick Fist Mafia Full Member

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    Also, can every poster on here learn the difference between LOOSE and LOSE. Seriously, I'm not a grammar nazi or anything but, its really ****ing annoying to see it so often
     
  10. essexboy

    essexboy The Cat Full Member

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    You think so? I dont think Eubank has any wins on his record that can compare to wins over DeWitt, Barkley, Sims and McClellan besides beating Benn himself. Dont you feel his resume is severely lacking in comparison to Benns?
     
  11. essexboy

    essexboy The Cat Full Member

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    I've brought this very same point up before.
     
  12. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Severely? Not really. You brought up all his losses with no context, and simple rhetoric was enough to make Benn a king...in your mind. It's hardly a balanced appraisal based on what you've posted so far.

    Eubank has good wins over Benn, Watson, Rocchi, Malinga, and his losses were mostly at the tail end which you neglected to mention, I assume you would so for Benn...

    Benn beat McClellan (equal to Eubank's win over Benn himself in my mind), Malinga, Barkley, DeWitt.
     
  13. essexboy

    essexboy The Cat Full Member

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    For me even if Benn had beaten Eubank in the second fight which he deserved for me, he could have made do without the victory. Take Eubank's victory over Benn away and he has very little to back his resume up.

    I neglected to mention Eubank's defeats indeed and I will mention them now. For some bizarre reason he decided to start fighting decent boxers 'past his prime' and losing to them which allows a legitimate excuse. Im not saying he was at his best against Collins, Calzaghe and Thompson but he should have been fighting guys of this quality back during his prime to prove his point, which he never did.

    I think you take my Benn thread to literally. It was tongue in cheek as he is my favourite fighter. I dont rate Benn seriously above Jones Jr and Toney. My point really is I rate Benn above Eubank despite him having a losing record against the man which shouldnt happen.
     
  14. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Tongue in cheek or not you have a lot of manlove for Mr Benn :yep:p

    Benn's record is not far ahead. He lost to Watson and by hook or by crook Eubank beat Watson twice, he came out with the 'W'. He also came out with the KO win over Benn, and whilst I agree Benn could have nicked the rematch the fact is it was close and Eubank has the only clear cut victory. These two factors make up in some ways for the deeper resume Benn has.

    Benn did do more in terms of fighting the Americans, however its often forgotten Barkley had a year lay off and surgery for a detatched retina. It was more the manner of victory which was impressive rather than the state of Barkley at the time. And he has DeWitt and McClellan, and impressive list of Americans no doubt.

    Eubank has to make do with Rocchigiani and Malinga in his second tier of wins which is not the best thats for sure, but considering some of the above factors it does narrow the gap for me, and I think they should be ranked close.

    As for their lossers, tail end losses don't do a great deal to affect my judgement. If anything Eubank just showed what a tremendous fighter he was when at the twilight of his career he was still capable of pushing a young Calzaghe and was unlucky not to beat a cruiserweight. Same goes for Benn, he has losses to the tomb raider Collins, but I don't hold any of that against them.
     
  15. G.A.V.

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    >Eubank
    >overrated

    Oh, for **** sake.