Joe Louis vs. Vitali Klitschko

The Louis that lost to Marciano wasn't the best Louis & Rocky himself said so.

That being said today's version of Vitali isn't the best version either, IMO the best VK was from Lewis to Sanders. He isn't that far off from his prime though & I think he'd KO that Joe fairly easily.

 

:rofl

 

THis threadS goT AIDS

 

I can agree with everything except the part about Vitali's shots being telegraphed.

VK throws punches from all angles & yes, many of them are "arm punches" that don't have his full weight behind them or the "twist" of the body that a proper hook should have.

Vitali's defense is very underrated because it doesn't look smooth, but it's extremely effective. It may look quite awkward at times but the results don't lie.

Jaun Carlos Gomez is a very good boxer & he came to win. He couldn't outbox Vitali could he? No I'm not comparing Gomez's boxing ability to that of Joe Louis but let's be honest here.

 

...................and don't tell me to stick to The General Forum either.

 

See out of your hood much?

 

Are you trolling for friends?

 

No, this morning I got knocked around by some Muy Thai guy, feeling a bit more humble though I did introduce him to the canvas once with my best punch, the shove. I don't do the "bench press". And yes, I am getting too ****ing old to going to spar rounds at a gym.

This argument is can drag on to eternity. Two things will be known. Joe Louis will never again be KD'd by an overgrown middleweight and VIt will keep on winning fights by a landslide until the night he finally gets old.

You're incredibly deluded but I respect your right to an opinion.

Cheers.

 

Stop, just stop. You did the same thing to Mcvey and Janitor. Two of whom are one of the most respected classic posters. I seen some of your work in the general. You pick and gang up on a girl (Yes, who is a hater of certain fighters) with personal attacks about her looking/being a tranny. Don't act like you're on the high ground or have class in this situation or in general on these forums.

Now, I read the rest of your posts in the thread. It's funny how you're trying to play as the victim. Really, this is the classic section. In fact, over here I'm probably one of the assholes but I can see your aggressive and assertive nature and tone could infuse an altercation here... and it has. Stick to the points and defend your opinion. We've all been called biased. Hell I'm an undeniably biased Marciano fan. I try to defend him and stick up for him. That's all you can do. Don't go calling people dick-heads for thinking they're the biased ones, and don't throw back more gasoline as if that's going to prove your point or go anywhere. I know on the subject I'm one of the least to talk, I get out of line. It happens... but when a pot gets stirred, don't try to act like you were of no part of it and then try play victim. Your language and tone and posting explain the story. It seems like you've been taking on almost everyone. Even the ones who try being honest and fair.

Fair enough. Trying to meet half-way is good, the deluded comment doesn't do any good and makes it sound half-sincere but it's all good either way by me.

 

Klitschko's style is not unlike Schmeling's. There's a difference, though. Schmeling was between 6 and 6'1" 190 lbs. Klitschko was between 6'7" and 6'8" 250 lbs. And Klitschko's power is on another level.

Watching Schmeling's victory over Louis, and Louis struggles against Farr, Conn, and other slick boxers, I simply can't imagine how Louis beats Klitschko. And it's not a failure of imagination that prevents me from seeing it. It's the facts. Louis wasn't fast enough to beat Kitschko. Louis was not a defensively sound boxer. He remained a sucker for right hands during his prime. He had a bad habit he could't shake. He never used lateral movement. Louis was not an elusive fighter. He looked brilliant against inept stationary targets. He looked bad against boxers. He had the power to catch up with small guys. But not fighters like Klitschko. Louis never faced any fighter anywhere near Klitschko size and talent.

Kitschko would tag Louis with right hands all night. Louis would never reach Klischko. Klitschko is a sound defensive fighter. It takes a boxer of the caliber of Ali or Holmes to handle a fighter like Klitschko. Louis is not up to this challenge. This ends early and it ends ugly for Louis.

For those pulling for Louis, I think it's nice that you have a fighter you love so much you are prepared to bet on him against almost every fighter. But you are seriously letting emotion get the best of reason.

 

Your argument seems half-assed, no offence.

Firstly, why would Louis need lateral movement in this fight? Why would he want to stay outside against Vitali? It's the last place he wants to be.

You claim he is not elusive...I disagree. He used a lot of subtle movements in the ring, taking only as many steps as he needed to get into and out of range. He knew how to parry a jab, and how to slip punches. He countered very well, and always with speed and often with combination punches.
That in itself made opponents wary of opening up.
His upper body movement was very good when he chose to use it...Louis was economy in motion. Maybe the finer things that he did are lost on low-res, black and white images, but rest assured Louis could make you miss and make you pay.

Sure an Ali or Holmes could beat Klitschko, but for me the right style would be a guy who could apply subtle but steady pressure, slip the jab and come in fast with hooks to the body and head...punches in bunches. Remind you of anyone?
Staying on the outside is a bad idea against Vitali because he will peck you to death from the outside once he's got his range.

You say Louis never fought anyone with the size and talent of Vitali. The talent part is arguable but he faced three fighters the size (or very close) of Vitali.

I fail to understand how this ends early for Vitali.
Vitali hit Arreola with dozens of clean right hands and couldn't budge him. He hit Sanders with dozens of clean shots but had to settle for a stoppage over a gassed Sanders, who never had the best chin.
He hit Peter at will but had again to settle for a stoppage.
Louis was never stopped early, ever.
So where you pulled that one from I can only guess.

You claim Louis looked brilliant against inept, stationary targets...strange that you should ignore that very same thing in Klitschko, who has faced targets far more immobile and inept that the ones Louis faced.

As per your last paragraph...is it so unreasonable to pull for an all-time great heavyweight against Vitali? I don't think so.

Lastly, it's the guys pulling for Louis that have remained calm, whereas some those pulling for Vitali have clearly let emotion get the best of them.
Read through the thread and that is clearly apparent.

 

Your argument is fully-assed. And correct. Reason holds no reign here, only a deluded embrace of yesteryear, fairytales, and mythmaking.

 

Funny thing is, I picked Vitali to win by stoppage!

I do think he has an awkward style, and I do think he has the mass behind his punches to hurt Louis, and the size to make Louis' shots less potent.

HOWEVER; as I always do with an analysis (if it is feasible) I make a case for both fighters then summarise what I feel is the most likely option.

A lot of people on here have just said 'anyone who thinks a midget could beat the legendary' blah blah blah **** that you see on the general.

The day I see the Valero nuthuggers come on this board I leave.

 

Louis had a shyte def after throwing a jab. Vit would time him a few mins and then clock him with some hammer overhand right right on the button. End of story.

 

Another thing I'd like to know from Mr. Marvel is how he can see Holmes beating Vitali, but not Louis.

If size is an issue for Louis, surely it would be for Holmes too? Holmes stood 6'3" and weighed around 209...barely any larger than Louis. Certainly in the same ballpark. Holmes has the longer reach by 4 inches, which makes a difference. In terms of overall size though, they're pretty similar.

And talking of susceptibility to right hands...hasn't that been one of the biggest criticisms of Holmes?

So I'd like to know how Holmes can defeat Vitali, but it's an easy fight for Vitali if he fights Louis.
Indulge me.