Joe Louis vs. Vitali Klitschko

:huh

 

:yep In all honesty Rocky's era wasn't that bad but Marciano's best wins were against small, old fighters. I heard rumors that Moore was very old & Louis was way past it. Still beating Louis is a great part of his resumé and rightly so.

 

The bold says it all. Your full of **** but I don't have time to waste on you. I wasn't even arguing with you in this thread.

Fists of Fury said it right when he said it was the Klitscko fans that were reacting and getting emotional. Just go back and read through the thread. It's clear as day.

As for your last statement, no.

 

You heard rumors that Moore was very old? I guess you really know your stuff then. Can't believe those rumors got out.

Beating Louis is not the great part of his resume. Really, you sound like every generic Rocky critic. He fought old small men, without looking at the context of things. Walcott, respectively, even at 38 was still a better champion and fighter that either Klitschko ever beat. His two wins over Charles were good, but in reality his wins over Walcott are better even though Charles was younger than Jersey Joe. Age doesn't tell the whole story. As for Moore, he wasn't at his peak but he was certainly near his prime coming off a huge dominant streak prior to the Marciano fight. And if those rumors rang true, you must've known he remained LHW champion till 1959 which is 4 years after the Rocky bout. And remained a contender in the HW division till the early 60's. I guess that says a whole lot for a such weak era.

The 50's had a lot of solid fighters. And even as the era seemed to weaken mid-way it only got stronger with new contenders and elites on the rise. It was a good era for boxing, and much better for the HW division then on the surface.

Either way you look at it. Rocky is an ATG with a better comp/resume than both Klit brothers.

Bingo. Louis just happens to be the best name on his resume. It's still a better Louis than the one Charles beat I think. For whatever that's worth.

 

Utter rubbish.

Klitschko's style could not have been less like Schmelings.

In fact I would challenge you to find one plane of similartity between their styles beyond the fact that they both har two hands.

 

I saw Leroy Jones get busted up in 28th st gym by Tom" the Bomb" Bethea a middleweight and I mean pummled....Jones was an 80's build up but beleive me Vitali would KO him in 1

 

Both had black hair, and spoke German, they are two peas in a pod!

 

Don't you see the fundamental flaw in your argument?

You use Louis's fights against smaller faster fighters like Farr, Pastor and Conn (who fought in close in many cases) to justify that Louis had trouble with boxers but then refuse to allow any comparison between Carnera, Baer and Klitschko.

We can debate whether Vitally is better technicaly than Carnera or Baer but he is clearly much closer to them both technicaly and stylisticaly than he is to Billy Conn or Tommy Farr. You are not exactly going to suggest that Vitally is a bigger Billy Conn or Tommy Farr.

You als fail to acknowledge that all of the boxers who gave Louis trouble were smaller fighters. You cannot simply ignore this detail. The one type of fighter who never achieved anything against Louis is larger fighters who tried to stand off and outbox him at range.

 

True Louis like Ali had trouble with the smaller guys and had no real trouble with the larger men of his day...I do think Lewis, Vitali and Vlad are the best big men of all time but Joe Louis had quite an arsenal to overcome

 

That is not the point. You mention Louis ring record. If the judges were fair Louis loses at least one more time on the cards ( Walcott 1 ), perhaps twice. ( Godoy 1 )

The point is Louis had trouble with boxers, In fact he did. Films and score cards tell the tale. While Louis won many of the matches he struggled in, it was his power and the other guy having a shaky chin that bailed him out, not superior boxing skills.

While Conn, Farr, Pastor, Schmeling, Charles, and Walcott were good boxers, none of them were really in Vitali's league in terms of size, power, chin, punch out put, etc....

The other point is all the great heavies, including Ali and Holmes struggled with mediocre title defense. Vitali has not.