Did Any Fighter Fight Hurt Better Than Jack Dempsey?

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  1. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    And if so, who?
     
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  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Louis. Tunney. Maybe Greb. Maybe Rocky?

    I think Dempsey did what he did when he was hurt by the way, and it worked for him, but he tended to go a little crazy. I wouldn't put him near the top of the list, neccessarily.
     
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  3. The_Hitman92

    The_Hitman92 EST & Registered 2008 Full Member

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    Not sure if you could say he was better but I remember Nigel Benn was one who was dangerous when he was hurt.
     
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  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Benn is a good shout. Robinson. Ali.
     
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  5. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Suppose it depends on your definition and how you see things because all fighters have to fight hurt its part of the game.

    Ali fought blind, he also said he was out on his feet several times against Foreman and was obviously hurt against Frazier

    Morales when hurt always fought back with fierce combinations

    Nigel Benn fought 2 great comebacks against Barkley and McClellan amongst others

    Holyfield comes back well in fights hes taken titanic punnishment in

    Theres countless examples in the sport
     
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  6. Unforgiven

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    Nigel Benn. Check him out versus Antony Logan.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6_PTvPPW3Q[/ame]
     
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  7. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    I don't think Louis or Rocky belong. Louis when hurt, was generally cautious and clinched and did what he could. I guess I didn't phrase the question well. I mean fight the best in the most resilient but effective kind of way. I think Conn over-extended himself thinking he could finish Louis. That greed suckered him really, but I don't think Louis belongs on the top. Rocky was tough as nails but when hurt he generally tried to clinch or get low. He didn't have the same resilience that Jack had when hurt, which is at the same time kind of crazy but ended up being effective.

    I guess another way to pose the question is.

    Was any fighter more dangerous hurt than Jack Dempsey?

    Tunney/Greb I think can belong on the top of the list. Tunney was particularly smart when hurt, but not dangerous. In a sense, like Ali, but he tended to run/move more than clinch.

    Benn is a good nomination. So is Holyfield.

    When did Ali say he was out on his feet several times against Foreman? Sorry but that sounds dubious.

    Benn/Holy are good calls.

    I think Gatti is a potential name, but he had a resilience to burst back. He wasn't necessarily dangerous when hurt, just never out of the fight.

    Great find. Beginning to think Benn is the only potential real rival in this category.
     
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  8. Mantequilla

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    Saad.
     
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  9. manbearpig

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    Benn and Eubank are worth considering.
     
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  10. McGrain

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    Saad's a good one, and Eubank is definitely worthy of consideration. How about Kid Gavilan?
     
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  11. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    No, he mixed it up, against the Fat Man for example, he got ditched, and came absolutely blasting back; that was the right thing to do in that case. Also, showing some caution when hurt is a good thing, although like you said, you seem to have written something different to what you meant.

    Morales.
     
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  12. sugarsean

    sugarsean Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Benn , Morales, Holyfield, Pacquioa
     
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  13. he grant

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    Morales is an excellet choice. He had as much heart as anyone I ever saw.
     
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  14. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's the usual answer to most questions but... Ray Robinson.
     
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  15. Axl_Nose

    Axl_Nose Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Im a huge fan of Dempsey but his 'Beast' reputation was built on his destruction of Willard who was basically a 'heavy bag' in that fight .. Dempsey was destructive especially before he was champion but he was flawed in many ways and mythologised in many ways .... I have him as a top 5 Heavyweight of all time but thats because im a biased fan ..

    Theres plenty of fighters that dished out some punishment, but you have to judge how good the opposition is to judge how good the punishment actually is .. Any top fighter can dish out hurt on an inferior opponent ..
     
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