Good post Janitor! The very big men he fought got decapitated. If he had so much trouble with fast boxers ,how come none of them beat him till Charles managed to out point the old Louis?
Janitor, The flaw is comparing stationary targets like Bear and Carnera to Vitali. Bear could not spell jab if you spotted him the " j " and the " a ". Carnera did not use his height or jab nearly as well as Vitali does either. Louis never fought a big and talented out fighter. If you want to compare a rounds won to rounds lost ration of vitali to either Bear or Carnera its a no-contest. Neither Baer or Carnera had much defense either.....Conn, Pastor, Walcott, and Schmeling did...so compare those guys defensively to Vital. It was not only good offensive guys that gave Louis trouble, it was also good defensive guys. Actually Vitali is more similar to Farr in style than Bear or Carnera's
Yes, I am confident. I have seen all the existing footage of Louis vs Walcott I, which including full rounds and the highlights of every round. Wlacott wins easy. Its a robbery, and the chorus of boos for Louis tell the tale as does Louis body language. He lost that fight, but had connections at Madison Square Garden. I have also seen the full footage of Louis vs. Godoy 1. Louis simply does not land enough punches to win the rounds. One day perhaps we can video post both fights and score each round here. Would you be game to score these with me? Such an activity would challenge the integrity ( not yours ) of Louis fans if they attempt to give him close rounds he lost to add up the points in his favor in the end.
I have no idea if I have as much footage of you or not, but i have quite a lot, and it just doesn't show that. In discussion with Sweet Scientist and My2Sense, who appear to have the same footage as me, we came to the agreement that things were extremely close. This means that either a - you have a lot more footage, nearly every minute of which has been clearly won by Walcott b - your opinion is an extreme one. Keep in mind that a fight we are scoring as even, or close to it, you are scoring as an "easy win". That means your additional footage (if you have any) is absolutley one way traffic, or we are in strong disagreement. Sure, I would love to do that. The thing is though, i've never run into an opinion that sees this fight as controversial; people describe it as surprisingly close for the champion, but always for the champion? You're the first person who I have ever met who describes it as a possible loss on anything other than flying leap?
Vitali has never been knocked down, has gone through title defenses against top rated contenders virtually unmarked... He has never lost a fight, or come remotely close, to losing a fight due to poor defense.
Nah, I draw that line at Lewis. Unmotivated and past peak he stops a prime Vitali. It is easy to picture what a prime Lewis would have done -- hint: MICHAEL GRANT. Lewis fought other great fighters - though perhaps not at the most competitive or optimal moment. Nonetheless, his comp looks like the '27 Yankees compared to Vit's & Wlad's. If Vitali and Vlad are ranked with Lewis at such an exalted level for beating a bunch of "C" class heavyweights in this era then someone should argue Ross The Boss Puritty (6'3") and Corrie The Sniper Sanders (6'4") are ranked third and fourth right behind the Klits on talent as both were competitive with both Klits. The Klits would need to dominate other like sized athletes with skill for me to put them on any pedestal. And, those athletes are making multi-millions in other sports. They are merely the best (and largest) of a group of unfit, fat, short, untalented bums and near bums. Draw the line at Lewis and let time pass. There will be incredible and talented big men who will demonstrate they belong in LL's category. The Klits are simply not skilled enough or extraordinarily talented. In the next couple decades they will be remembered only as the champs in the "wasteland" years when the best talent on the globe took a hiatus from boxing.
This tired argument is so full of holes, it's barely worth working up the effort to comment on it. I suppose Riddick Bowe and Lennox Lewis were considering careers in basketball or american football. I'm sure they would have gone real, real far. Just like Frazier and Ali would have were the financial realities of the 1960's the same as the 2000's. Oh, and the Klitschko's are making multi millions in the sport of boxing.
Can anybody really be serious in posting a 'Vitali v Louis' thread .... Louis is without doubt in the top 3 heavyweights of all time based on ability, Vitali is a poor mans Primo Carnera who is only successful because the opposition is so inferior that he can impose is height and range advantage .. Vitali wouldnt survive a real fight were he wasnt in total control, i dont care how big he is .. Louis would kill him, it might take a few rounds because Vitali is a huge dude but Louis would eventually take him out, no question .... The real question is, 'Is Vitali a top 50 ranked Heavyweight in History' ?? Thats an interesting one considering the contenders that were beaten in strong era's .. Vitali and Wlad are nothing and personally ive got reservations on Lennox Lewis too ..
Are you speaking of getting wobbled by Sanders? Hell, Conn had Louis rocked and he was featherfisted at 175. Wow, this thread is getting boring. "Can anybody really be serious in posting a 'Vitali v Louis' thread .... Louis is without doubt in the top 3 heavyweights of all time based on ability, Vitali is a poor mans Primo Carnera who is only successful because the opposition is so inferior that he can impose is height and range advantage .." I can respect people coming down on either side of the argument. Myself, I count Louis as the greatest heavy ever based on legacy, ability and longevity. That said, this is a legitimate argument. Despite the hackneyed analysis of some comparing Carnera or Baer to VItali (which is preposterous), Louis never faced the particular combination of ability, skill and power that is possessed by Vitali.