Joe Louis vs. Vitali Klitschko

True.

VITLAY got dropped HARD by Sanders yet his nut-huggers refuse to admit it.

Basic rule of thumb is that if you get dropped by a 40 year old golfer then you ain't gonna look good against the all time greats despite all this bull**** about how big VITLAY is. He's big for sure, but great? **** no, Lewis rearranged his face for him. VITLAY doesn't even have the same argument Tyson did, in that he conquered his predecessor.

VITLAY is a sidenote in HW history, nothing more- and Joe Louis would have knocked his arse OUT.

 

I'll give you Walcott, but Louis immediately came back stopped him.

Now, i was waiting to ask this but others have noticed and questioned the same thing....

How in the world can we compare Klit and Jersey Joe Walcott via your Louis has trouble with boxers comments? They are worlds apart both in size and style. Louis having trouble in his initial bout with Walcott has zero bearing on a fight with Vitali imo.

 

In turn whom would you name that Vitali has faced that brings to the table Louis' "particular combination of ability, skill and power"?

 

Well said! I agree 100%.

What all-time great actually LOST to the exiting all-time great before him?
Yet, Vitali was turned back by the old Lion.

This unusually long thread seems a testament to the new era in sports and the tensions it creates. Performance enhancers seem here to stay and, little by little, athletes today are leaving their predecessors inexorably behind thanks to this advantage, albeit against the rules, but, hell, nobody seems to care.

But, as properly pointed out here, boxing is not mere athleticism and steroids alone will never make a great champion.

Vitali is an admitted steroid user, AT LEAST at one point in his career. Yet, as the poll agrees, Joe Louis, a clean athlete from the '30s, is rightfully a favorite against him in a fantasy bout, on the strength of his greater skills and much greater record.

The metaphors are accurate: Vitali today is akin to the one-eyed king and the big fish in a small pond. This is not a knock. Vitali is the best today, but, though outclassing the Arreolas, lost to Lewis, and must not be elevated to peer of the historical best in boxing.

Performance enhancers will most likely eventually help produce great fighters who will truly rival and even surpass Louis and Ali. The Klitschkos are not those men.

 

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As hard as Louis got dropped by Schmeling, Galento, Walcott, Braddock and Buddy Baer? And Vitali was not KD'd. Should we list everytime Louis got rocked? Does this forum need another 3 pages?

Sanders was a very, very hard puncher and one of the quickest heavies of his generation. He stung a lot of guys but he couldn't finish and always gassed out.

I am willing to entertain informed comments or counterpoints but this is just inane buffoonery.

 

Your a buffoon. The Sanders knockdown was legit. And Lewis had Vitali reeling all over the ring. Lewis was right, "He was beginning to deteriorate." Everyone talks about the Lewis slumping to his stool but he's fine in the interview, he was catching his second wind. Vitali was wobbling slowly back to his corner. Hardly looked like a man that wanted to fight, of course though he puts on a show when it gets stopped.

 

First of all, the contraction you are searching for his "You're", i.e. You are, not the possessive "Your"...

He was nicked up, no doubt, but unlike the many knockdowns Louis suffered, that punch and shove routine of Sanders was not ruled a KD. And you're speaking as though Sanders won the ****ing fight. He didn't even win that round. Vitali beat the crap out of the guy. And don't go slagging on Sanders that he was a nobody. He was a hot commodity not long before with Don King salivating over the chance to get him stateside more often. But the guy just didn't love fighting, talented as he was.

By the way, do you happen to recall how many guys, lil' guys, blown up light heavies, who knocked Louis down? Legitimately cold cocked him. Even I had forgotten a few instances when I tried to recall it.

 

It's also not grammatically correct to capitalize the next word you use after an ellipsis, nor is it proper to end a sentence with one.

 

I thought they only fought once. I haven't seen the fight you're describing. In the fight I saw, Lewis wasn't going to last much longer. He was staggered numerous times and was dead tired. Vitali proved the superior boxer.

 

Lets just say anybody who is picking Vitali to beat Louis is an absolute buffoon, Vitali has beaten who ?? Williams, Sanders, Peter and Arreola .. How are these names going to prepare him for Louis ??

Louis eats him for breakfast, as does Ali, Frazier, Tyson, (early 90s) Holy, (early 90s) Bowe, Holmes, Foreman, Norton, Charles and any other good 'big man' you can think of ...... Vitali and his brother Wlad are terribly basic fighters, they look good only because the opposition is so weak .....

 

Four other fighters stopped Walcott, too.

But we should take care with our language. Walcott was never stopped. His six defeats inside the distance were all by knockout.

 

Is this a boxing discussion or an English class ??

 

Louis was great in his time so was Jesse Owens, today Jesse Owens 100m world record would not even get him to the finals.
Why should boxing be any diffrent than other sports? people like to look back at old time heroes and glorify them out of proportion if you ask me...

Vitaly by knockout.