max schmeling vs evander holyfield

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  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    This is a hard fight to figure out. I don't think that it would end in a knockout win for either fighter. Holyfield was incredibly durable himself but probably did not have enough power to take schmeling out. That leaves it in the hands of the judges.

    In theory Schmeling's style is well suited to countering Holyfield because he was a specialist in countering orthodox fighters. I could see him outboxing Holyfield. On the other hand Holyfield has his own box of tricks and a high workrate. I could see him getting wise to Schmelings ways and turning the tables on him.

    I will vote with Schmeling due to the fact that Holyfield is still developing at this stage and has the stylistic edge.
     
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  2. GDG

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    Holyfield isn't unhittable though. If he gets rocked early...do you think the 12-0 Holyfield can keep his composure?? I'm not so sure.

    I'd take prime Evander by TKO, but I think I like Schmeling in this one!!
    Good fight.
     
  3. janitor

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    On a side note Schmeling would probably have done prety well against Qawi.

    He seemed to excel against fighters with that sort of style.
     
  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I guess me too, but with no conviction. Wonderful, wonderful fight.
     
  5. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    then how do you explain schmellings' previous stoppage losses ?
     
  6. GDG

    GDG Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think the point is, on that night Joe Louis wasn't able to, so........................
     
  7. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This is a very tough fight for me to pick...I like Evanders strength and heart but I could see max being effective with his counters and could see him hurt Evander with his right hand..this is a very competitive fight and it could come down to a ebb and flow battle over 15 or a KO along the way. Max would use his angles and movement and Evander would want to trade. If Evander gets hurt like he did against Burt Cooper expect Schmeling to finish him. Evander can punch but he is not at the level of Louis or Baer with one punch....I may lean torwards Max here because of the style configuration
     
  8. janitor

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    The only people who stopped him anywhere close to his prime were Louis and Baer, the two most formidable punchers of that era.
     
  9. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    good posts from d good posters
     
  10. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    and a bad post from 1 of d worse posters .
    Max Diekmann , Larry Gains , Gipsy Daniels , Max Baer stopped him b4 he even faced Louis , then he also had 2 decision losses and 4 draws and who knows how many robbery and foul wins in Germany , also prior 2 knocking out Joe Louis . Schmelling was crap and Louis was KOd by him .
    chmelling was also 31 and smaller than Louis by d time of their 1st fight which Schmelling won by KO , yet 2 yrs later Louis KOd a 33 yrs old Schmelling and there was never a rubber match . Great Joe Louis ..
     
  11. bodhi

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    Voted before I read the thread. Stupid. At hw it is a no brainer. Holyfield would be bigger and a bit better. At cw however it is different.

    IMO even at his best Holyfield lacks the experience to deal with a savvy and tricky fighter as Schmeling was. He would have no size advantage, the speed advantage would be marginal if there would be any, power-wise I think this one goes to Schmeling who also would be the superior ring general, counter-puncher and would have show a better defence. Would be a competable fight no doubt but in the end Schmeling would control it for the most part and put more rounds in the bag than Holyfield. 10-5 or 9-6 for the Black Uhlan.


    Lots of assumptions by this boxrec scholar here. Little reminder, general is one up.
     
  12. Legend X

    Legend X Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I'm a huge fan of Holyfield but this is really a no-brainer ...

    .. The question is the Holyfield of Qawi 1 in 1986 versus the Schmeling who beat Joe Louis in 1936 .... Holyfield barely beat Qawi, a superb all-time performance for a novice professional BUT nowhere good enough to beat that version of Max Schmeling.

    Schmeling's experience was too much for a 24-0, #1 rated, 198-pound Joe Louis.
    He'd be too much for the 12-0, 186 pound Holyfield, for sure.
     
  13. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Qawi >> Schmelling . If those unknowns stopped him , novice Holyfield and veteran Qawi could 2 .
     
  14. bodhi

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    Hush, back to your cave troll.
     
  15. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    quite obvious 2 get this reply from this poster 2 my post .
    my reply 2 janitor holds 4 u2 :
    and a bad post from 1 of d worse posters .
    Max Diekmann , Larry Gains , Gipsy Daniels , Max Baer stopped him b4 he even faced Louis , then he also had 2 decision losses and 4 draws and who knows how many robbery and foul wins in Germany , also prior 2 knocking out Joe Louis . Schmelling was crap and Louis was KOd by him .
    chmelling was also 31 and smaller than Louis by d time of their 1st fight which Schmelling won by KO , yet 2 yrs later Louis KOd a 33 yrs old Schmelling and there was never a rubber match . Great Joe Louis ..