Heavyweight Tourney:RD 1: George Chuvalo .Vs. John Ruiz

Chuvalo was a very strong heavyweight, and Ruiz has nothing he can hurt him with to keep him at bay. Ruiz can delay the inevitable for several rounds with excessive holding, but I think George will eventually get his opening.

Chuvalo ko 7

Ruiz proves me wrong more than any heavyweight. I picked Tua, Holyfield, Golota, Johnson, and Rahman to defeat him. I'm not batting a thousand.

 

last time i looked chuvalo was a bum too!!:huh

 

Chuvalo is NO bum.

Ruiz isn't a bum, but as a fighter there's nothing positive or redeeming about his career IMO that would justify him NOT being a bum. I still believe John Ruiz is the poorest of the poor examples when it comes to a heavyweight fighter.

Be careful who you call a bum, especially if you don't know Chuvalo's history as a fighter and a person. Do you know what the man went through as a fighter and a person? I highly doubt that you would know if you're calling him a bum. You'd be pretty lucky to look as good as George Chuvalo at 72 years of age.

Too Funny.

 

Chuvalo would do the laundry on Ruiz's face. Chuvalo by KO in 8.

 

uh, no it's not. he's beaten a lot of good fighters, something no one on these message boards could say.

ruiz wins with superior skills, he doesn't have to maul, and he wouldn't when it's the other guys only chance to win.

 

Who has Ruiz beaten that's a good fighter? Jameel "Decline" McCline? A way past it Evander Holyfield? Tony Tucker? C'mon man, you've got to do better than that.

OK, I'll give you the Rahman win, but nothing else. The Kirk Johnson fight was disgusting and embarrasing for heavyweight boxing. How can Ruiz be proud of himself by winning the fight on a foul. The man practically rised up on his toes to make the body shot look like a low blow. That has no place in boxing as far as I'm concerned. I would say his barely legit wins were against Fres Oquendo who's not much to write home about and Andrew Golota.

Boxing is not about relentless complaining to the ref, excessive holding, or wrestling of any kind which Ruiz is the heavyweight champion at. Don't forget that Ruiz was decapitated in one round by Tua. Chuvalo would be a little bit more calculated and finish Ruiz within five or six rounds.

 

Chuvalo might be too strong for Ruiz's mauling tactics. The more of a boxer type young John Ruiz, who ended up being KO'd in 19 seconds by Tua, might actually have a better chance against the slow-footed Chuvalo than the heavier, stronger but less mobile Ruiz of 2000's.

 

Clowns like you make me want to vomit.
No man who goes in the ring and gives his best should ever be referred to as a bum,and to refer to George Chuvalo in that manner tells us all we need to know about you.

 

I'll take Ruiz by lame decision. Chuvalo was good, but also exactly the kind of semi-limited boxer that Ruiz out-hustled for a living.

 

Have to disagree with you CP.

I will agree with you such that Ruiz brings the serious lame factor to this matchup. If Chuvalo gets Ruiz in the corner and unloads body shots on him, while Ruiz complains to the ref, he'll get knocked out because George will throw a big hook in between the arguing to finish him.

George Chuvalo, lost to the young, fast, 1960's Ali, and made his kidneys bleed from the result of his body punching. Yeah, Ali landed combination after combination against Chuvalo, but George caught him more than a couple of times in the 15 rounds and hurt him. Prime for prime, I'd go with Chuvalo to stop Ruiz before the middle rounds.

What do you honestly think 1960's Ali would do to Ruiz? Please don't tell me that Johnny Boy would give this version of Ali problems, especially coming from you, an educated pugilistic historian.

 

What relevance is there in what Ali would do to Ruiz? Chuvalo lost to some journeyman called Eduardo Coletti right before getting his shot at Ali's title, and pretty much lost to all significant players he faced, except for Quarry - which was a suspect win anyway.

How is he going to land those famous body shots when Ruiz is hugging him, anyway? Plus, it's not like Chuvalo's body punching was only surviveable if your name is Muhammad Ali. Like i said, Chuvalo pretty much lost every time he stepped up, and this bout would be no exception.

 

Chuvalo is not that limited as a fighter, and the Ali reference refers to the toughness factor overall. I don't think Ruiz would honestly hold up to Chuvalo underrated power, especially to the body. Sure, Chuvalo lost when the spotlight was on him and one of those was a clear robbery against Earnie Terrell. If the referee controls Ruiz' excessive holding and allows an actual fight in the ring without any whining or complaining, Chuvalo would take by KO before eight rounds. The same ref would also deduct points from Ruiz and if George doesn't knock him out, he'd win a UD.

 

I refuse to vote.

:bart

(do I have to?)