Relax about Dirrell vs. Froch...

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  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    It was a close, ugly fight.

    Any claim of robbery on Dirrell's part is made forfeit by his negative tactics throughout the fight (running a'la the Curtis Stevens fight in the early rounds, and excessive holding a'la Ruiz). It doesn't matter that when he used proper boxing skills he got the better - he spent more time flat-out running (and I'm someone who adamantly defends the styles of Spinks and Mayweather and dismisses the notion that they "run" simply for using lateral movement and slick boxing) and clinching than using proper boxing skills.

    Fights are scored on a ten-point-must, round-by-round basis. The rounds, while I didn't actively score this ugly POS fight while watching it, appeared to be distributed about evenly. The point deduction was perfectly acceptable (in fact one earlier would have been warranted) - and while you can certainly make the case that one could also have been taken from Froch, the fact is that Dirrell continued to hold after being warned and Froch's rabbit punches/holding and hitting were the direct result of Andre grabbing on and driving his head face-down into Carl's chest.

    Anything within the two point neighborhood either way would seem hard to find fault with.

    Neither of these guys is winning the tournament anyway. In fact, they may well be the two eliminated by the Group Stage.
     
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  2. realshocks

    realshocks Member Full Member

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    The truth.
     
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  3. Jeff Young

    Jeff Young Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Great Post, IB
     
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  4. Vysotsky

    Vysotsky Boxing Junkie banned

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    I pretty much share the same sentiments.

    On another note, I can't see how Froch won't get destroyed by Kessler.
     
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  5. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    IB, you know your my boy and all and I respect the **** outta your opinion...but that fight was not close.
     
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  6. fatdrunkenslob

    fatdrunkenslob Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I almost fell out of my seat when Dirrell called himself a warrior in the post-fight interview.

    After all the pre-fight trash talk I fully expected Dirrell to attack and trade with Froch but instead runs like a coward bitching to the ref then calls himself a warrior afterwards.
    I'm glad he lost and have no sympathy for him even if he was robbed.
     
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  7. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    In terms of round distribution? Even if Dirrell did the better work in all 12 rounds, if in half of those rounds he did better work for about thirty cumulative seconds but ran/clinched for the other 2:30...well...he's lost those rounds.
     
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  8. pijo

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    spotty dog.
     
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  9. Genaro G

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    I havn't seen to much of Kessler but i'm already predicting a win for Ward in that match. I haven't followed how the tournament works but I think it will come down to Ward vs Abraham final
     
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  10. VanillaKilla

    VanillaKilla Boxing Addict Full Member

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    ****ING MY SENTIMENTS EXACTLY :good
     
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  11. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    Good post, IB, but Dirrell scored more, but he should have known that there are home advantages, and therefore should have done more.

    The fight was indeed ugly.
     
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  12. Sp_Immortal

    Sp_Immortal Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Was not a close fight.

    Tired of other boxing fans telling me to relax after robbery or incompetence. If we don't let people know that **** like this isn't going to stand then who will? It just keeps getting worse and worse.
     
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  13. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    But Froch landed maybe 3 clean effective punches throughout. And Im being serious. More goes into scoring than just who is fighting with more grit and determination...if that were the case, Arreola would have beaten Vitali on the cards...LOL!

    ;)

    Im being faciscious of course, but you get my point. Aggression is the only criteria you can argue Froch won rounds on...but when you are getting cleanly countered and led coming in, which he was for most of the rounds, that is not effective aggression, thats playing into the hands of a counter puncher.

    I wasnt impressed with the holding and moving Dirrell did for the most part, but it did not erase that he landed more, landed cleaner, hurt Froch, dictated the pace and real estate and had the clearly better defense...in just about every round.

    I just cant fathom giving Froch 7 rounds...and I went in cheering for him to win!!!!
     
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  14. Ringnut

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    I totally agree. I think Dirrell won it but it was an ugly ugly fight that I have no intention of re-watching it just to score properly and see how close it really was. Dirrell played a huge role in making it an ugly fight by running and hugging against Froch, who's already an ugly, clunky fighter to watch in the 1st place.

    I'd rather move on and look forward to the Kessler-Ward fight.
     
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  15. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I'd agree that if this was an amateur rules fight Dirrell should have won it hands down. Pro fights aren't scored like amateur fights, though. Tactics of the sort he used totally negate any work he put in to outland Froch. When judging pro fights you can't score a round for a guy in conjectural terms - ie you can't say "Well during the thirty seconds he actually boxed he scored more points with his cleaner punching...so let's just ignore the fact that he completely spoiled the fight (and his chances of earning points) with stalling tactics like running and holding and assume that had he not done that, the other 2:30 would have gone the same...". You have to score on what happened. If a guy shows the potential to win a whole round, but only wins 1/6 of it and gives the other 5/6 away with bull**** - he loses the round. Simple as that, IMO.
     
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