Who do you think won that fight, Froch or Dirrell?

Ok Kosaros Froch is a master boxer, does that make you happy? He's beyond **** and he proved it last night.

Someone mentioned Duddy, I responded, you jumped in with your usual bull****. So who went off on a tangent Kosaros, me or the poster who brought Duddy into it? See again, no logic.

You are the one starting the argument, you started it in the Rogan V Sexton thread and you started it here too. I don't love arguing with you English ****s but you seem to think you can start **** and have nothing said in return. If you don't want an argument, stop starting them.

 

Look TFFP, I'm not saying Duddy will ever beat a world class boxer but I defy you to look at Duddy and Froch and tell me that Froch is the better technically. Duddy has a good jab too but there's more to boxing than having a jab. If you put Duddy in with the middleweight equivalent of Andre Dirrell right now, he would not look as bad as Froch did last night.

 

It was a light-hearted post in the first place which could have been responded with a '', but has instead turned into a 3 page argument.

 

Well it was the second time you have replied to my comments with these "light hearted posts" so forgive me for taking it personally.

 

I'm just talking simple facts here, Froch outboxed a world class opponent. He didn't outmuscle or outbrawl Pascal. It was a good paced fight but Froch if anything was losing the big exchanges early in the fight and a change in tactics won him the fight. Don't take my word for it; watch the fight. He outboxed him from distance, and Pascal is a world champion.

Fact #2, Duddy got outboxed by Billy Lyell and looked like he'd hit a train when he came out of the fight againt Walid Smichet.

It's clearly not as simple as looking at it aesthetically as Duddy's defence is even worse and its being shown up on a lower level, he can't maintain distance like Froch can with his work, so clearly he's doing a lot wrong beyond looking half competent against **** opponents.

 

Duddy can maintain distance, he maintained distance very effectively in his early fights, and again in the two fights after Smichet. He was awful against Smichet and Lyell, I'll give you that but he is fundamentally a good boxer, he just gets influenced by the crowd too much which makes him abandon his skills and defense, it doesn't mean the skill is not there.

Froch on the other hand relies to much on his power and chin to win fights, at least he has in his last two fights. If he has the skills he's not employing them. I just think he is a horrible boxer, kind of like Caballero who is effective but horrible to watch.

 

Ok after a long search for the 'first time' of replying to you, I think I found the thread:

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=166582

Erm, what did I do that was so wrong that you remembered it?

 

Thats a good post Jon. You make a fine point regarding Mr Rozenthal & his primetime appearance...

Its certainly given me food for thought.

 

But just as you name times when Duddy can box, I can do the same for Froch except Froch has done it at a higher level. Coming up the ranks against lesser opposition similar to what Duddy is facing he could appear a good boxer as his amateur record suggested he is, and he also boxed well against Pascal as I mentioned. Competition tends to have a massive impact on how this appears.

He looked ridiculously awkward against Dirrell because he had to chase after him and commit himself because of Dirrell's footspeed and his own lack of speed. Similar thing against Taylor early on, Taylor is far more physically talented, he couldn't compete when Taylor was fresh.

Duddy looks a little more technical because he's more conventional but I'm not sure its really going to make him a better boxer when he steps up a level. Infact it won't even be an issue because I guarantee when a good fighter hits him and starts to outbox him he'll have to go back to his old ways.

 

So in your opinion Froch is unconventional, in my opinion he is just not very technically skilled. Put it this way, if Froch did not have power any have decent boxer would box rings around him. Duddy has been outboxed but has never been made to look clumsy, wild or foolish, Froch has. Like I said, put Duddy in with a fast, slick, counter puncher like Dirrell now and he would be outboxed yes but he would not be made to look like as bad as Froch against Dirrell. I gaurantee you he would land more than Froch landed and look better in defeat.

 

You are focusing on this one fight, the worst Froch has ever looked.

I think Duddy would get knocked out, nevermind look unimpressive in a closeish fight (I think Dirrell did win) but there we go.

When Duddy fights a real opponent he will brawl like he used to, he'll get tagged hard and often, and unless he's superhuman he will get knocked out in a bad way. I know this because there is no way on earth he can box with world class fighters, so there is only one thing he can try and that is to punch his way out of trouble.

 

So..........Dirrell fans believe that boxing is falling down on canvas, holding, running, and complaining. OK, nexy time a Euro does that, they should award him the fight. Always remember, in a boxing match, do not fight, just run, hold, complain and fall down on canvas.

 

I was at the fight. I really wasnt sure which way the score was going at the end. In hindsight i thought Froch deserved it purely for the fact that Direll ghad no intention of fighting, i dont particularly think dirells counterpunchers were landing that clean. In the 10-12 rounds direll did some better work with combinations but prob lost due to the nervy first few rounds.

all in all it was a terrible fight with neither fighter impressing.

It certainly wasnt a robbery, it was just a close fight that could have gone either way

 

Bunce has always made some ridiculous statements concerning British fighters.
He was saying Audley Harrison can be world champion as recently as 2008 !

He's a knowledgeable pundit though, he pretty much knows everyone in British boxing, amateur and pro.
But his opinions are often laughable and his style is slightly buffoonery.
But, I'm in the minority saying that, people here seem to love him.

Barry McGuigan's better.

 

oh **** this will be replayed on terestrial next week

just when you don't want them to be showing it