Froch " ill have too MUCH for KESSLER"

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  1. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    Overconfidence is a different matter.
     
  2. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    Kessler is a better counter-puncher than Dirrell, and his positioning is much better. Dirrell is good at dodging, but he doesn't really return fire that much. Kessler is always waiting for you to get out of position to counter, and is much more punishing and accurate when he does shoot back. Believe me, Kessler will blow Froch away with ease.
     
  3. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    Yes, Kesslers counter-punching skills are vastly underrated. And while Dirrell is all counterpuncher, and Kessler boxer-puncher, the viking simply has intangibles that makes him a better counterpuncher.

    Furthermore Dirrells footwork isn't great, it's fast, but that is all.
     
  4. Slider75

    Slider75 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Honestly, i think he already believes he is! and with his talk so far, i wont be surprized when he claims it official..:D
     
  5. denilo

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    I`m glad that kessler was looking shitty for a couple of rounds against Perdomo.

    Kessler could and should win against Froch, but going overconfident into this fight would prove his downfall. That is by far the biggest task. Froch always look silly and clumsy, but is actually one of the most dangerous fighters out there, if not taken seriously.

    No way has Dirrel better footwork than Kessler. Kessler´s static look is mainly due to his back stiffness and his tendency to, when defending, go back in straight lines. This is mostly when he faces fighter with speed though. Kesslers footwork against Froch will probably be similar to the Andrade match, where Kessler had the time he needed to get his lateral movement going. Dirrell has more speed in his legs, not necessarily to be confused with balance.

    One of the keys to understand Kessler boxing is to understand, that he is always facing his opponent, or ready to counter if you like. He looks cautious at times, but he never seems to do strictly defensive manouevers. His footwork often looks a little heavy because he wants to get maximum power in his counterboxing, and that you cannot do without utilising your bodypower.

    Dirrell was running a lot to get away from Froch´s attack. He was jabbing or potshotting a lot, but you can´t really commit without bodypower. Dirrell didnt really sit on his punches until round 9-12. Kessler will probably be circling or, if Froch is succesfully cutting the corners, going back in straight lines, looking to counter Froch with something really nasty, when Froch comes swinging in.

    A lot of people still seems to think that Ward will win on nov. 21, because Kessler cannot fight on the inside. Instinctively it seems like a good idea, but in reality it looks like the price for getting that close to Kessler is too high, as you will get countered coming in. To bully Kessler is a very bad gameplan, even Calzaghe had to face that.
    Unless Ward is slicker than Calzaghe?

    If Kessler brings his A game you will probably have to outbox him to win, apart from the always existing lucky punch.

    I understand that Froch now has given us that promise, he will box him, at least for some rounds. That will be entertaining.
     
  6. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    A pretty educated post, denilo. But I have some problems with it.

    1) Kessler did not look shitty against Perdomo. He had some ring rust, but Perdomo did fight good, and fast. He clearly played out his chance, and paid for it.
    2) Kessler boxes an upright style, and have done so since amateur. His backproblems aren't that ancient. He is just not an agile guy.
    3) Andrade was in Kesslers face for 12 rounds. Constant pressure. More so that Froch has ever been cabable of.
    4) It's rubbish to say that Kessler can't fight on the inside. It didn't suit his style, because he boxed cautiously behind the jab, countered, and did one-two combos. Fighting in the pocket was an unnecessary risk, because he did what he did greater than anyone he faced - till he met Calzaghe. I speak in past tense, because Montoya has worked on bringing another dimension to Kesslers boxing - for better and possibly worse. His strength has been worked on alot - he sits on his punches, and have enhanced the uppercut, which worked so well against JC. He has also worked on Kesslers killer instinct - where Kessler, when he sees his opponent is in trouble he goes all in - and very fast. Before he reset, and waited.

    Other than that very good post.
     
  7. Serenata

    Serenata Fit und geimpft Full Member

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    You´re as right with your prediction here as you were with your prediction on Taylor vs. Abraham....... NOOOOOT :patsch
     
  8. shelterr

    shelterr Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Kessler will destroy Froch. I'm pretty sure that Pedermo guy could beat Froch by a UD!
     
  9. shavers

    shavers Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hilarious:lol::lol::lol::good
     
  10. DOM5153

    DOM5153 They Cannot Run Forever Full Member

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    really good post:good
     
  11. Hiro

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  12. denilo

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    Perdomo negated Kesslers jab for the first couple of rounds, making Kessler look hesitant. He´s a tall guy with a good reach, whom, as you state, fought at a higher pace than his stamina allowed in the run. Kessler did look gunshy though and probably not ready for Perdomo´s aggression.
    From the beginning of round three you can see that Kessler utilises a different aproach. Where perdomo´s jab through 1 & 2 were resetting Kessler, he is now beginning to attack coming in on the backside of Perdomo´s jab stepping right forward throwing a, **** I don´t know what to call that:lol: No, it is actually a overhand right, Kessler punches are just thrown with so little angle, they all look really straight.

    What I am addressing is the fact that Perdomo´s jab nullified Kessler for to long. Froch got a long jab, which is more effective than it looks, even if that´s about the only thing he´s got a part from raw material (punch resistance, power).


    I never said that Kessler can´t fight on the inside.

    The sentence was: "A lot of people still seems to think that Ward will win on nov. 21, because Kessler cannot fight on the inside."

    In my op. Kessler is quite able to fight on the inside, it´s just not his preferred game. Look at round four against Calzaghe, beautiful uppercuts steps back and find his prefered range again.

    It´s a little like discussing Kessler´s chin, we just don´t know do we?

    That´s why it is a comedy when people say that Kessler-Froch will be a slugfest with the best beard as last man standing. I mean how can Kessler possibly have a bad defence if his chin is an unknown quantity?

    If Kessler comes with his best, we shall not feel enlightened post fight!
     
  13. stefanoitch

    stefanoitch Well-Known Member Full Member

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    theres two reasons i like froch. 1: Because of he's belief in himself, he even compared himself to sugar ray leonard!!

    2: He comes to fight. He's not a beautiful fighter but he got heart
     
  14. KCD

    KCD All aboard. Full Member

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    Kessle rwill dismantle Froch, brutally.
     
  15. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    Negated? Kessler had trouble finding the distance for his jab to hit their mark, which is not uncommon after either inactivity, nor for first rounds. I agree that Kessler probably hadn't expected Perdomo to give it all from the get go, when its common that both fighters try to feel each other out - but gunshy? I don't see that at all.

    Naturally Kessler was now warm, and his jabs were hitting their mark. The straight right is an old trade-mark of Kessler, which he utilizes often.

    Froch has no sense of distance, which was very evident against Dirrell. I don't think a single jab hit it's mark throughout the fight.

    Maybe it's language barrier, but to me, that is saying that he cannot fight on the inside. Not he doesn't chose to.

    I have no problem with your Kessler-JC assessment.

    Of course we do. He has been tested, proved, and confirmed that it is solid. Anyone not going down from the right hook that Sartison threw in the first round(or second) has a good chin. Furthermore he has never been down ever, save once as an amateur. Of course he haven't faced anyone of Frochs power, but he still have a solid chin.

    Yes that is comedy, because Kessler is a boxer, not a slugger. And a smart one at that. Kessler has a pretty good defence, also due to intangibles, but it's not excellent. Kesslers chin is not an unknown quantity. Trialed and passed.

    Kessler always delivers an A-game fight. There has never been a "I had a bad day"... And only ignorant people will be enlightened after Kessler-Froch. Those who know the sport, will know that Froch only have a punchers chance. He is too limited to bring anything other than his normal game, and not a gameplan to negate Kesslers offence like Calzaghe managed to do. Froch knows this strengths and plays on them. Which here will not be enough.