Arguello-Tyszu at 140lbs - who wins and how

I think everyone is pretty much on the right track on this fight. Id take Arguello by 11th round ko but I think Hed have to get up from the Canvas to do it. Arguello was slightly faded in this fight but still a great fighter. I see Arguello stopping him being slightly behind on points when he finishes Tszyu.

 

Arguello hasn't done anything at 140 to be considered in the same league as Tszyu. Tszyu by TKO.

 

Boxing has always been a style game. Alexis showed enough in his demolition job over Kevin Rooney, and his 14 round war with one of the greatest 140lbs ever, Aaron Pryor, to suggest he'd be competitive and then some against Kosta Tyszu.

 

Kevin Rooney?

Exactly what has Arguello done at 140?

 

Oh, I see. You're one of those posters who doesn't listen to a word someone says before replying. I just pointed out why I thought Alexis belongs in this discussion, he fought a better 140lbs fighter than Tsyzu and gave him his toughest fight. Alexis is outstanding in so many area's when it comes to his offense that you can't rule him out against anyone, even up at 140lbs - not his best weight.

If you want to ignore the 'styles make fights" cliche, tell me this. Who did Tsyzu fight and beat who combined the punching power, combination punching, and superior technique of Alexis Arguello? I'll answer it for you. He didn't, Tyszu reigned at 140lbs for a while and looked impressive, but he didn't have to contend with an Aaron Pryor or an Alexis Arguello. This is besides my initial point, but do I believe Alexis would have held a belt, and possibly reigned as the best during Tyszu reign? I think there's a possibility.

 

Arguello gave Pryor his toughest fight? Try Gary Hinton. The fact is that he was knocked out twice at the weight and his only wins at 140 are against D level boxers. On what are you basing this supposition that he would have been the best jr. welterweight when the divison was the deepest in boxing?

 

I think Pryor's career would soon become plagued with drug problems after the second win over Alexis Arguello. At that point in time, Alexis had given prime Pryor his toughest fight despite being relatively inexperienced up at Light Welterweight himself. It was an impressive performance, and the straight shots, power, punch resistance, stamina, and heart he displayed that night leads me to believe Alexis would be competitive with most 140lbs in history.

Tyszu was not much of a mover, he'd like to come forward and work his offense because he was confident in his ability to take fighters out there with one punch. Alexis was never sparked by a single punch, and Pryor perhaps landed 50% of his power shots and it still took him 14 rounds. Tyszu won't be landing that many shots because he doesn't have Pryors hand-speed or never-ending stamina. That makes him more of a target for Alexis' straight right and counter left hook, and Tyszu didn't have the punch resistance of Pryor either. It would be a competitive affair, believe that.

 

It took everything Pryor had to beat Arguello & he set a pace that enabled that to happen & it still took 14 rds, Tszyu cannot fight at that pace & he does not have the chin of Pryor either to take those lethal right hands as well as every other perfectly placed textbook punch that Alexis landed that night.

I think Arguello wins a close 12 rd decision or TKO`s Tszyu late on in a 15 rder, rd 14 probably.

 

Exactly. :good This dude seems to give Tyszu the benefit of the doubt purely because he achieved more at 140lbs than Alexis Arguello did. It doesn't work like that, especially when you have the ability of Arguello and his credentials at the lower weights to consider.

 

The question is how much power Arguello has at 140 and can't he take the power of an elite 140. You just can't make a case for him being a great 140-pounder on the basis of his two knockout loses to Pryor. Castillo for example looked great as a big 135-pounder but once he started to fight at 140 he struggled and looked average. Arguello is just not proven at 140 and I'm surprised that most people are picking him to stop Tszyu who fought his entire career at 140.

 

Tszyu was certainly the `greater` 140 lb fighter as Alexis only had about 3 fights there but on a H2H basis at 140, I dont think he was a `better` 140 lb fighter, the only other modern 140 lb champ that MIGHT have beat Arguello that night other than Pryor was Chavez & even thats a pick em fight.
As already said, Arguello is a teriffic champ rds fighter - a marathon runner - & nobody takes him out early so they will have to come thru that hell fire that Alexis brings to beat him, Pryor & Chavez had the make up to fight this way & prevail, I dont think it suits Tszyu to be in those kind of wars TBH.

 

There are no questions that haven't already been answered regarding Alexis' ability to take "power of an elite at 140". He went 14 rounds with Aaron Pryor, who was throwing 100 shots a round and landing close to 50% of his power shots in the process. Alexis had a hell of a chin. I also think we saw the power of Arguello during his brief time at 140lbs, because not only did he spark a C level fighter with one shot, and Rooney was laid out flat, but he wobbled Pryor multiple times in their first fight. You don't hurt Pryor easily.

Pryor was successful because he had above average hand speed, above average punch resistance, and his stamina was on a different planet. Ask yourself this, does Tyszu match-up to Pryor in any of those areas? I don't think he does, personally. Bill Butcher is correct, Tyszu rates higher all-time at 140lbs than Alexis, that much is obvious, but fights are determined on styles - not on accomplishment.

 

He does match-up against Pryor except for stamina (was Pryor clean?) and he is a better boxer and has more power than Pryor. Arguello has done nothing at 140 to suggest that he can beat Tszyu let alone stop him. Tszyu was a fighter who always fought bigger boxers than him at 140 while Arguello always fought smaller boxers. Go watch Arguello's war with the diminutive Boom Boom Mancini and tell me that Alexis can beat Tszyu. I don't think this fight will go the distance either. Tszyu TKO inside 10.

 

Aaron Pryor had faster hands than Kosta Tyszu, and he could throw faster, harder combination's for more sustained periods of time. This is what ultimately won the fight for Pryor, but other than that, I think there's quite a few similarities between the two, which is why I'm making the comparison in the first place. Both fighters like to come forward, both fighters had outstanding knockout records, both fighters could take a good shot, only Pryor threw faster shots, harder shots, and kept the work rate without a let down in his prime.

Also, when Aaron Pryor boxed he was pretty damn impressive. Watch how he would circle Arguello, and flick out the jab in the middle rounds. Those jabs never failed to hit the target, and even Sugar Ray Leonard was very impressed by what he was seeing. Pryor could box, he was an outstanding amateur, ask Thomas Hearns, but he was most effective when he was overwhelming his opposition.

Tyszu and Pryor are comparable on the power front, there's not such a drastic difference that would suggest Alexis would be sleeping early.

Arguello gave Pryor a hell of a fight, and Pryor was one of the more impressive 140lbs of recent times. Tyszu achieved a lot during his career, but he doesn't match up to Pryor in the key areas. Stamina? Pryor. Work rate? Pryor. Mobility? Pryor. Power is even a close shave, when you look at both guys KO ratios and who each fighter knocked out. Alexis would find the target more often against Tyszu because he's not a mover, and if you want to play that game, Phillips knocked his ass out so Alexis could too in my judgment. :good