Create the ultimate boxer

Power Tyson
Speed Pacquiao
Reflexes Floyd Mayweather Jr
Chin Oliver McCall
Work rate Margarito
Heart/will Evander Holyfield
Work/Gym ethic Evander Holyfield
Hunger/desire Holyfield....

 

Power Julian Jackson
Speed RJJ
Technique Finito Lopez
Body Punching Mike McCallum
Footwork PBF
Defense Pea Whitaker
Heart EM
Stamina Pryor
Chin McCall
Showboating Prince Naz
Nastiness Terry Norris/Pryor
Ring IQ PBF
Staredown Hearns

 

Power-Tyson
Speed -RJJ
Conditioning- Marciano
Heart-Marciano
Chin-Chuvalo
Skill -SRR
Defense-Willie Pep
Offense-Marciano(the man never took a backward step)

 

Absolutely, but I'd still rather fight Whitaker with knockout power than Thomas Hearns with an iron chin. :good

 

I agree with all of this. But guys like Ray Leonard did not need to be cautious, they fought the same way against all opponents, by working opportunities to unload combinations and not trying to 'nick' the fight, but trying to comprehensively defeat the opponent. That's why, in my opinion, Floyd has some great qualities but is not on the Leonard level.

 

Yes, I concede he was fantastic in the 8th vs Ricky. But then I felt that good work was a little undermined by the fact that Pacquiao obliterated Hatton more convincingly far far faster, purely because he was committed to attack and Floyd wasn't.

I hope to see you around again too mate.

I'm not a Floyd hater, I really respect his skills in certain areas and I really enjoy watching some of his fights (I find over-cautious displays like Marquez, Baldomir and Castillo II very dull and dispiriting, but I find more committed performances like Corrales, Hatton and N'Dou very engaging. Although I thought Floyd lost the first Castillo fight, I loved the way he fought in the pocket with JLC in the 11th round of that first fight. That showed Floyd had balls, skills and strength. If only he fought like that more!!) :good

 

Power - George Foreman
Speed - Amir Khan
Chin - Jeff Lacy
Technique - Sugar Ray Robinson
Heart - Arturo Gatti
Defence - Floyd Mayweather Jr
Footwork - Ricky Hatton

 

I wouldn't. I have always been somewhat of a Hearns sceptic. I appreciate he was a great offensive fighter with fantastic physical advantages, but I think he is maybe a little overrated because of a highlights KO of Duran and a points lead on a subdued Leonard before he got brutalized. Even with a chin made of titanium, I think he still had flaws and there have been greater boxers than even that fearsome hybrid.

If Whitaker had Fosteresque KO power, how could he be beaten?? As long as he remained at 135-140 and therefore didn't give up the size advantages that he gave away at 147, how exactly could he be beaten? By whom in history?? I genuinely believe that Whitaker with KO power is as close to the unbeatable fighter as it is possible to get, unless you are fusing together many attributes from many different fighters. As it is, Pea does everything brilliantly. Jab, move, box, dance. Stand in the pocket, parry, flurry. And think if he was getting early round horrible KOs as well! Nonpareil.

 

What do you understand by 'footwork'?

 

* Power - Tua

* Speed - RJJ

* Chin - Hagler

* Technique - Sugar Ray Robinson

* Heart - Jake Lamotta

* Defense - Pernell Whitaker

* Footwork - Ray Robinson

* Left Hook - Cotto

* Jab - Pernell Whitaker

 

For a Heavyweight only:

Power: Lennox Lewis
Speed: Prime Tyson
Chin: Vitali Klitschko
Technique: Prime Tyson
Heart: Joe Frazier
Defense: Prime Tyson (impossible to hit)
Footwork: Ali
Left Hook: Wladimir Klitschko
Jab: Wladimir Klitschko

and just for S&G..
Work Rate: Joe Calzaghe (yeah, I know, he is no heavyweight, but his work rate in the ring is absolutely amazing)

 

Hearns is physically more imposing, and was more dynamic with his offense. Better combination's, and they were fast and fluid, with devastating power on the end of them. With a titanium jaw, he'd have beaten Leonard both times, and who knows what would have transpired against Marvin Hagler if he didn't break his hand. Whitaker is loved on ESB, and for good reason, but he wasn't this unbeatable machine people like to believe. Roger Mayweather knocked him down pretty good, and Rivera gave him all he could handle.

 

Better combinations? Absolutely not. More powerful combinations, but not better combinations. Pea's handspeed, accuracy and flurrying technique were better. The only thing Hearns had over Whitaker was power, and if we are imbuing Whitaker with Foster-like power, then he is better than Hearns in every area.

Your 'Whitaker is loved' comment seems to be the same attitude you admitted to having harboured about Duran prior to last week. Surely your U-turn over Duran would suggest to you that you shouldn't make these statements, lest you change your mind after studying the guy more closely and then seeing why people worship him??

At his peak, Whitaker was as close to an unbeatable machine as it gets. He suffered knockdowns as he was careless and had that macho streak, he liked showboating and could get lured into a firefight. He wasn't Floyd Mayweather-style cautious about getting tagged, but that doesn't mean he couldn't have been damn near impossible to hit if he wanted to be. Give him power, and he would have been the GOAT ability-wise.

Rivera? Please. That wasn't peak Pea and you know it. Proves nothing. You can pick through any fighter in history's career and find fights where they didn't look great. Iran Barkley anyone??

With a titanium jaw, Hearns would have been a fearsome prospect for anyone, but still not unbeatable. SRL was bizarrely subdued in their first fight, and that can't be fully attributed to Hearns's performance because the evidence just doesn't back that up from watching the fight. SRL started off very languid and lethargic, but whenever he did burst into activity he was giving Hearns serious trouble. It was an inexplicable and bizarre performance from SRL. Anyway, Hearns was a great offensive fighter, but giving him an iron jaw does not eradicate all of his flaws. And he was flawed, he was not as well-rounded or versatile or as effective overall as Whitaker.

 

:verysad I said "Whitaker is loved on ESB and for good reason". Why the hell are you blowing it out of proportion. I didn't say anything that wasn't true, and I have no resentment towards Whitaker and never have done. I just get a little tired of people talking about him as if he went through his entire prime years unscathed. It just isn't true, he was caught by Roger Mayweather, and a lot of his fights were pretty close on the cards. Great fighter, excellent jabber, but there's a number of fighters who would be equally formidable with knockout power. Willie Pep and Wilfred Benitez both come to mind.

 

I 'blew it into proportion' because I don't see the need for these comments about mass opinion as if it is all a great injustice. It makes you sound like you have a chip on your shoulder, when you could just state your own opinion instead. Just a comment, if you choose to ignore it then fair enough.

Whitaker did go through his prime almost unscathed. I don't know why you focus on the Mayweather fight, as he wasn't even in his prime then - I don't know if you are aware of this, but that was his 11th or 12th pro fight. I don't call that someone's prime. Whitaker was green if anything, and still beat a more experienced fighter by clear margins on all scorecards. I'd say his prime began with the Haugen win in '89, when he won a world title for the first time and turned in perhaps his greatest all-round performance.

Name me a fighter who had a 'more unscathed' prime. Roy Jones maybe, but I don't remember Pea having to come from behind like Roy did in the first Griffin fight before the DQ. I struggle to think of any others at the moment. Ali possibly, but his was a partial prime. Monzon is a good shout actually. But there aren't many. You could pick certain fights from anyone's career like you have with Pea, and use them as evidence that they "weren't what people make out" they were.

A lot of his fights were close on the cards? Come on mate, the guy never even had an SD in his career (obv Chavez doesn't count) till Rivera in '96 at 147. The only reason his fights were closer on the cards than they should have been was because some judges understandably did not appreciate/enjoy his style.

Pep you could argue legitimately (I would still disagree, but hey), but Benitez no. Only adding power would never have made him as good as Pea all-round.