F***-off

The key point as Ocelot and Toffeejack state is that they were in different weight divisions. I'm not sure why RJJ came into this - and to my discredit I responded to it. The point was that this was a bigoted, hate-filled anti JC thread

 

Incidentally - after 15 months of what i fool myself are judicious, mature and insightful posts this thread has made me a journeyman! Go Me!!!!

Respect guys

 

Was unheard of in 1997, didn't come on anyone's radar till he beat a past prime Griffin six years later, and was largely unknown before his 2004 los to Jones.

Besides, he fought at the LHW and cruiser most of that time, and was very much a journeyman. Nobody knew he was one day going to KO Roy.

An excellent example of ignorant hindsight.

But you get a point for novelty. Most of the Calzaghe-haters don't even bring up Tarver.

Another Lt heavy who had a fair number of cruiser wt bouts. When Calzaghe won the title, Montel was in recovery from his brutal first round KO at the hands of Jones and was trying to rebuild his confidence fighting easier pickings.

Why the **** would a new 168 lb champ move up to fight Griffin ?

More great hindsight.

Another light heavy weight with the added disadvantage of being completely unknown during the time you mentioned.

Yet more hindsight horse****. Glen was in the right place at the right time to KO a severely degraded Jones, who was coming off a huge loss to Tarver. Before that, he was practiclly unknown.

When Joe won his title, Glen was mid way through a string of three consecutive losses that included such greats as Merqui Sosa and Joseph Kiwanuka.

In the time you mentioned, he went on to another string of losses (four this time !) culminating in a loss to Omar Sheika.

That's the same Omar Sheika that Calzaghe KO'd in his very next fight two months later.

Chad wasn't ****in' born yet !

Ok, I exaggerate. He was 15 yeaqrs old.

He did not come to light for another 10 years, when he beat Adamek.

During the time you mention, a fight was not only not makeable, it was almost impossible.

IF that fight was to be made, it would have been at the very end of Calzaghe's career, and I would have liked to see it. A 50/50 proposition, IMO.

But Calzaghe Jones was a much bigger $$$$ possibility as Dawson, while good, is still not very marketable.

A journeyman, 175 pounder.

No clamour for that fight and Joe was a 168 lb champion.

Joe sought a fight with Bernard at 168 in 2002. Agreement was reached.


Hopkins backed out.


- According to Jay Larkin, then Showtime TV Network's Senior Vice-President of Sports and Event Programming:

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Bernard seems to have had an excuse !

Roy was already at LHW when Joe won the SMW belt. He could have come back down to 168, but showed no desire to. Calzaghe was a beltholder at 168 and largely unknown outside of the UK. Roy had little incentive. If anything, Darius would have been a better match up for him, but neither he nor Darius were much interested in facing each other either.

Roy would probably have beaten Calzaghe, IMO, but Roy was never interested in fighting Calzaghe at that time.

Putting someone on their ass means nothing if you don't win the fight.

Cooper put Ali on his ass. So what ?

Calzaghe was the agressor in both instances for the remainder of the round AFTER he got KDd. And won both fights.


And A six-months-older Bernard went on to post a shutout against Kelly Pavlik.

And, as I've just pointed out, Hopkins DID back out due to money issues.
So what's your point here ?

I've already dealt with that laughable list of possibles. You don't seem to have much sense of time, dude, oter than 'in hindsight.'

Or maybe you're just blinded by negativity.

Compared to Bernard's run of defences at MW ?

His first defence, as compared to Bernard's first defence, Steve Frank !

His third defence, as compared to David-Bo James, Bernard's third defence ?

His fourth defence. Bernard's fourth was the great John Jackson. (NOT JACK JOHNSON, but JOHN JACKSON).

Seventh defence. Former WBC supermiddlewt champion.

A **** of a lot better than Bernard's seventh defence: Simon Brown.

As compared to Andrew Council, another Bernard victim.

And that's worse than than Robert Allen (THREE TIMES ) ?

But Carl Daniels was an ATG ?

As compared to Morrade Hakkar ?

Anyone can make a few selective picks from a guys title defences, as you've just seen.

Calzaghe's run at SMW was as good as Bernard's at MW.



Sitting back eleven years later saying he should have fought this one and that one (most of the suggestions being non-starters) just makes you look foolish and out of touch with what was realistic AT THE TIME.

 

I aggree with the Threadstarter. Joe fought mostly no bodys and then two ni99as past their prime. Slappy is a hoe for that.

 

Thanks for that - points us all on the way

 

Good post :good

 

i've only been a member of esb for a week and that post by cuchulain is by far the best and most emphatic post i have read.

daryll, your ass as just been handed too you on a plate, close the thread and **** off to bed.

 

would you ever stop whining???

FFS STFU!!! just STFU!!!

 

Hahahahaha, this dude just OWNED the OP

 

Really glad I just read this post before I began typing my long ass reply.

Just to add, fighters Calzaghe fought in Robin Reid, Charles Brewer, Byron Mitchell etc....would have been champions in this era, in fact prime Robin Reid is easily as good as fighters such as Taylor and Pavlik today the only difference is that he was unknown to the American audience.

 

BINGO ! :deal

 

get over it. he beat B-hop and beat teh **** out of RJJ. and yes he never let a black man beat him :yep or white, poka dot, yelow, red, or blue man as well.

if he was Black you'd be all over his knob you ***:good

 

DAMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :verysad

OP should just shut down Thread