Mike Tyson (1988) Vs Jack Dempsey (1919-21) 15 Rd Heavyweight Fight

mike to big too fast too strong and better D

 

It is true that people who aply the size and modernity argument do it verry selectivley.

They generaly want a cut off point somwhere so it dosn't aply to their favourite fighters.

 

Tale of the tape

[SIZE=-1]------------------------Jack Dempsey -------------[SIZE=-1]Mike Tyson[/SIZE]
[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Weight ------------192 lbs ------------------------ 216 lbs[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Reach -------------77'' ------------------------------ 71''[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Chest/Norm. ----42'' ------------------------------ 43''[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Chest/Exp. ------46'' ------------------------------ 45''[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Waist --------------33'' ------------------------------ 34''[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Biceps ------------16.25'' -------------------------- 16'' [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Neck ---------------16.5'' --------------------------- 19.75''[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Wrist ---------------9'' -------------------------------- 8''[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Calf ----------------15'' ------------------------------- 18''[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Ankle -------------9'' --------------------------------- 11''[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Thigh -------------23'' ------------------------------- 27''[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Fist ----------------11.25''---------------------------- 13''[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Forearm --------14.5'' ----------------------------- 14''[/SIZE]

 

Qawi dogged the rematch with Holy.

 

The bottom line is Tyson has far more muscular strength, power, density than Dempsey, its obvious. You've taken Tyson's lowest weight and Dempsey's highest, didn't Dempsey have weights in his pockets against Willard and actually weighed 170lbs for that fight?

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The size difference is blatantly overwhelming in every regard. Tyson KO1, maybe earlier.

 

Cruiser Holy was hittable and stunnable just as the heavyweight version was. Plus the lack of weight, Kid Dynamite would stop him. No doubt at all in my mind

 

Which stage of Tyson's career was this photo taken from? It looks Post Douglas to me, where he was always much bigger and muscular (seemed to emphasize weight lifting in training) but was never as effective.

One of the things i dont understand with many people who put so much stock in size, particularly weight is how they rationalise the fact that heavy fighters always are at their best when they are at their lightest weight!

I also dont see how Janitors tale of the tape is brushed over so easily. Looking at the tape, Dempsey is every bit as big as Tyson everywhere except the legs. In fact if Tyson did as much cardio vascular work as dempsey or if Dempsey dropped the cardio and did the weight training, Dempsey might even be bigger. The most important size statistic is usually reach (klitchkso and lewis fans bring it up constantly). Looking at the tale of the tape, how is Tyson going to get inside Dempsey, if Dempsey uses his jab and straight right cross? Not that i necessarilly lean towards Dempsey here, but i dont see how size and physique matters in this fight. Tyson is actually a pretty small heavyweight by all time standards.