Rematch will give Machida an advantage for sure.

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by Kestrel, Oct 24, 2009.


  1. Kestrel

    Kestrel Windhover Full Member

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    There is a psychological damage when you get robbed like that.. it discourages you. In the rematch Machida is going to think he luck that one and he'll come in with a whole new game plan, and Shogun will feel like he has to go for a KO to win and that will play into Machida's style. Shogun has to stay patient and confident like the first match but the rematch might spell differently and gives Machida an advantage mentally.
     
  2. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    1st three rounds Machida won...watch the video.. This was a perfect fight for Shogun, Ive never seen him more technical and careful in his approach. MAchida will learn from this.
     
  3. Kestrel

    Kestrel Windhover Full Member

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    Nope can't say I agree, I had Shogun winning 4-1 and that 1 could go either way.

    But definitely Machida will learn from this and that's why I say Machida will have an advantage in the rematch.
     
  4. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    Someone needs to break it down for me punch for punch , kicks for kicks and knee by knee and tell me how Shogun won the first three rounds on video.

    The third was the closest and Machida won the biggest exchange of the fight in that round.

    You guys are so shocked by Shogun performing so well that you forgot they score this by rounds
     
  5. boxingcar

    boxingcar Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Or not.....Maybe Machida won't be as confident next time and Shogun will be less nervous. And since Machida has been using the same gameplan for years , Shogun should have no problems in the rematch...

    Thing is , i doubt Shogun will get a rematch anytime soon.
     
  6. audio101

    audio101 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I take it you missed the biggest shot of the night that shogun landed at the end of round 3? Just admit that you had Machida winning the first three rounds before they even started.
     
  7. Vitor Belfort

    Vitor Belfort Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Shogun won 2 of the 3 rounds then he won round 4. By round 5 machida needed a KO or sub to win the fight. Shogun was robbed and everbody knew it. I watch the fight in a sports bar and when the winner was announce we booed just like the crowd in LA did. Shogun won the fight
     
  8. Dynamite Kid

    Dynamite Kid "I Must Break You" Full Member

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    Correction. You mean this is advantage Shogun. He just went 5 rounds and landed his shots with hardly no problem at all against a man that is noted for incredible elusiveness. Probably the best in MMA. Shogun now has 25 mins of experience with him and now has MUCH better insight to the Machida playbook. Shogun is not a stupid fighter that's gonna come in and look for a KO. He's experienced and knows exactly what to do and will probably have an even better GP next time. Shogun at ABSOLUTELY no point in the fight even seemed uncomfortable. The man trained his ass off for everything Machida had and had him well scouted. Advantage mentally FOR SHOGUN. NOT MACHIDA. HE KNEW HE LOST. You assuming Shogun will come in looking for a KO is absurd & ridiculous. Are you a fortune teller or something?
     
  9. Kestrel

    Kestrel Windhover Full Member

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    If I was I wouldn't have pick the wrong guy to win. :lol: Just throwing out a psychological analysis. :good
     
  10. ufoalf

    ufoalf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    http://fightmetric.com/fights/Machida-Shogun.html

    Here.
    Shogun was more aggressive, landed more, attempted more takedowns, was the aggressor the whole fight.
    Machida did not win a single round. Every single time he landed ANYTHING Shogun replied. There was ONE instance where Machida clearly out landed Shogun landed 3 strikes and a knee only to be answered with a right to a temple. Rest of the shite punches Machida through CLEARLY landed on the block which do not count in either damage nor as a statistic for judges.
     
  11. bachatu

    bachatu Pro Full Member

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    It will favor Machida because all he needs to do is find an answer for the leg kick and come better prepared. The fact that Machida had no answer in the leg kick early on, slowed him down and it showed later in the fight, which made it easier for Shogun to connect. Shogun fought the perfect fight though, really determined... he fought as good as he could against Machida, IMO.
     
  12. ufoalf

    ufoalf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Definitely agree.
    Shogun won, but his "weakness" has not be exposed so how can he possibly make his plan better? Yet, Machida has a chance to adapt and train appropriately to match Shogun. Shogun would have no way of telling what to expect next fight.
     
  13. Rattler

    Rattler Middle Aged Man Full Member

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    1 - Machida (the knees and stuffing takedowns gives him the edge)
    2 - Machida (again, with stuffing td's and equal attacking gives slight edge to Lyoto)
    3 - Shogun (the prep work with chopping the legs fully takes effect and Shogun steps it up while Machida slows down)
    4 - Shogun (more of the same)
    5 - Shogun (more of the same)

    Shogun clearly won the rounds I score for him, whilst Machida narrowly won his.
     
  14. ufoalf

    ufoalf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    How is stuffing a takedown = points? If anything it just gives Shogun the aggression kudos.
     
  15. Rattler

    Rattler Middle Aged Man Full Member

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    Aggression is nice.... of course, if nothing comes of it, then what is it worth really?

    A thousand punches that miss completely counts for something? How?