Machida vs Rua - What's the big ****ing deal?

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by Weber, Oct 27, 2009.


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  1. Weber

    Weber Active Member Full Member

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    So.. I finally watched Machida vs Rua, and I can't say that I share the outrage that people have been displaying about this fight.

    First off, I'd like to say that I had very little preference for either of these guys before watching the fight. I've watched about 3-4 of Machida's fights before and perhaps a couple of Rua's fights back in Pride.

    Now, reading the debates that have been going on on this forum the last couple of days, I was expecting to see Machida edging it out in 2-3 rounds and Rua completely destroying him in the rest of the fight. That didn't happen. Not at all.

    What I did see was Rua doing the same **** over and over, and Machida being a pretty boring defensive fighter, but who nonetheless landed three quaters of the meaningful strikes of the fight. Yeah, Rua landed a lot of kicks to Machida's legs and body, but half the time he was eating massive counters doing so - headkicks and straight rights, mainly. I can hardly recall Rua landing a meaningful punch. He threw a lot, but he rarely landed. He tried to go for the takedown a couple of times, but got a knee to the head every time, except for the time where Machida outwrestled Rua while standing.

    As you can probably tell, I was pretty satisfied with the result. Most of the rounds could've been scored either way, mainly because Machida was too defensive and let Rua throw too many kicks. So I wasn't really impressed with Machida either. But **** Rua. If he wanted to become the champion, he should've went all out. I didn't see anything from him that made me think that he was the better fighter.

    I don't even understand why people can get that upset about this fight, because it was, in truth, a pretty boring fight. Also, Joe Rogan and that other guy are utter **** as commentators. Get those guys off my tv. He's a somewhat funny guy I guess, but he doesn't really contribute with anything insightful. It's like having one of your drunken buddies doing a monologue while you're trying to watch the fight. Meanwhile he's skewering everybody's perception with his idiotic "OWWWW NICE LEGKICK FROM SHOGUN LOL" when Rua just ate a headkick while doing so.
     
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  2. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    Rua didn't destroy him. People are looking at this from a technical perspective and via an aggressive technical approach Rua caused never seen before damage to Machida.
     
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  3. MaliSlamusrex

    MaliSlamusrex Boxing Addict Full Member

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    +1

     
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  4. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Shows you dont know **** about MMA if you think thats the way to beat Machida.

    Rua did a bit more in just about every rd, you shouldnt need to make it look like man vs boy to beat the champion, thats bull****, if you do just a little more than the champion, you should be awarded the rd, that didnt happen in this fight.... Rua fought & stuck to a perfect gameplan, probably the only gameplan that would work vs a fighter like Machida, he got the better of him & now thanks to 3 assholes in suits, he`s gonna have to go do it all again rather than making his 1st defence vs someone more entertaining & less frustrating.

    Both guys are the top 2 LHWTs in the UFC but Rua showed me he has a little extra.
     
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  5. MaliSlamusrex

    MaliSlamusrex Boxing Addict Full Member

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    tell me what was his gameplan, what I saw was Rua take a punch to the face, and counter with a kick. I saw damage limitation from Rua, Rua didnt rock Machida at all, if anything Rua was hurt in the 3rd round, Rua didn't have any Octagon control nor showed any aggression.

     
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  6. Weber

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    You're reaching. Saying that Rua should've went all out is not the same thing as suggesting that he should run head first into Machida's counters. He needs to come out his shell if he wants to prove himself, that's all I'm saying. And every time that he did, he lost.
     
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  7. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    As Rua explained BEFORE the ****in fight, you have to be patient vs Machida because he just waits for you to attack then counters, Rua showed nice controlled pressure, never bothered too much going for the head of the most elusive fighter in UFC history (smart move) but instead worked on the body & legs to weaken Machida both physically & mentally for the championship rds (it worked)... Rua showed nice defence himself, he took a few clean knees on the way in as well as a few straight right hands but what do you expect ? :huh these are the top 2 LHWTs in the world, thats the reason they gave each other a good fight but Shogun did better in the majority of the rds, all except rd 3 probably & Machida only scraped that rd by the skin of his teeth with that flurry in which he landed 3 decent punches & took a good one in return.

    He never outclassed Machida in any rd but he did better in most of them & hurt Machida more throughout.

    If you cant see that, there aint much we will agree on on this subject.


    Botswana :smoke
     
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  8. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    If you want to acknowledge the counters Rua took, thats no problem but at least do likewise with the kicks Rua landed.

    The guy did enough to win the fight, it was the wrong decision.

    Machida struggled when in with an excellent Muay Thai fighter that doesnt fly in head 1st, thats all, he will always struggle with Shogun because he is the best fighter Machida has ever fought, he will struggle just the same in the rematch too, believe that ****.

    Shogun of Pride is on the way back, its his era now :yep
     
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  9. Weber

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    I did acknowledge the kicks that Rua landed, my problem with him was that kicking was all he did (succesfully). And it's not like it was awesome Mirko Crocop-kicks, no, it was little *****-kicks that he used only as a means to keep Machida at bay. Everytime they opened up, Machida came out the victor. I don't mind a good jab or a legkick used for strategic purposes, but you can't win a fight that way alone, especially not when you get bombed back in your shell every time you try to do something else.

    But I'll have no problem with Shogun winning the rematch, as long as he comes to fight. He just didn't this time around.
     
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  10. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    You call Rua`s kicks ***** kicks & you say it was HE that never came to fight :rofl

    You truly are in the minority, Im off to bed.


    Angola :tired
     
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  11. Weber

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    I call them by their appropriate name. Coming forward while kicking your opponent on the shin every 10 seconds isn't fighting, especially not when you aren't going anywhere with it. Machida did all the effective striking. End of story.

    And I don't see why being in the majority strengthens your case. Most people are idiots.
     
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  12. ajc1984

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    How can you can claim Machida "did all the effective striking"?

    By the end of the fight he was wincing everytime a leg kick landed, changing his stance to avoid them, his movement appeared to be impaired and he admitted afterwards that they had hurt him. Which strike in the fight was more effective than Shogun's leg kicks?

    Perhaps the punch which busted Machida's lip up and left him with a 60 day medical suspension (while Shogun is free to fight tomorrow if he wishes)?

    Or the right hand which buckled Machida's legs in the late 3rd round flurry (which was one of his best moments of the entire fight)?

    Maybe the strong elbow he ate from the clinch?

    Or possibly the body kicks which left his entire midriff looking like raw meat?

    The fight was by no means a blowout but from my perspective Shogun landed more strikes, caused more damage and was the aggressor throughout.
     
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  13. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    The great thing about this post is that its all based on facts :good

    End of thread !
     
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  14. Totomabs

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    :good
     
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  15. vegasdude

    vegasdude Speed is Power! Full Member

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    YOU NAILED IT!

    100 percent agree especially with this "Meanwhile he's skewering everybody's perception with his idiotic "OWWWW NICE LEGKICK FROM SHOGUN LOL" when Rua just ate a headkick while doing so". At times when I hear OWWW NICE... for a split second, he was talking about Michida's punch connecting, but always talks about the counter kick. :patsch
     
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