Why boxers can't fight in more then one weight class?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Semlin, Oct 28, 2009.


  1. Semlin

    Semlin Member Full Member

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    Aside of the obvious fact the alphabet sanctioning bodies want as many "champions" as possible, I can't think of a sound reason why a boxer shouldn't be allowed to compete in more then one weight class simultaneously...

    We have guys who managed to become champions (okay maybe not, but belt holders nevertheless) in 2, 3, 4 or even more weight classes, but they had to lay down their belts first and then fight in the next higher class.

    But why should a fighter not be allowed to fight in say MW and SMW as he pleases? If he can make the MW weight, he could be even champion in MW and SMW at the same time. We all know how hard it is to have a unified champion - almost impossible. But why should we not have say WBC MW and SMW champion, or say IBF WW, JMW and MW champion?

    With the lower weight classes, which differ only 3-4 lbs it would be even easier to become champion of more then one division, suppose Manny Paquiao could easily become 7-division-champion at the same time, kicking ass between Bantam- and Welterweight... But we have too many weight classes anyway, that's the fact, with a bunch of dwarves as "champions" where the weight difference between the divisions is less then the difference in weight between a plenty evening meal with lots of drinking and the toilet visit next morning...

    I think we could easily live with the lower weight classes differing no less then 5 pounds - who cares if one dwarf beats another dwarf who's 1-2 lbs lighter or heavier, there's no real difference whatsoever... The weight classes could then look something like this:

    105 Minimumweight
    110 Strawweight
    115 Flyweight
    120 Bantamweight
    125 Featherweight
    130 Junior Lightweight
    135 Lightweight
    140 Junior Welterweight
    146 Welterweight
    153 Junior Middleweight
    160 Middleweight
    168 Super Middleweight
    180 Light Heavyweight
    200 Cruiserweight
    230 Heavyweight
    230+ Super heavyweight (maybe...)

    The weight classes would be spread much more even then now, and if a boxer could fight in more then one weight division at the same time, why not?

    The Super Heavyweight division can be discussed this way and that - I think anyone halfway sane admits huge size and weight difference means huge advantage. In the lower weight classes people are bitching about every single pound more or less, and in Heavyweight nobody finds it wrong when a blown-up Middleweight with barely 200 lbs fights against a behemoth 1 foot bigger and 100 lbs heavier...

    On the other side, even the Klitschkos could pretty easily cut 15-20 lbs to make the 230 lbs limit if needed and thus still compete in the Heavyweight division, while kicking ass in the Super Heavyweight Division as well... So who would be the real Super Heavyweight fighters then, I mean who is that big so he couldn't make 230 lbs without draining himself seriously? Are there enough such behemots to populate the Super Heavyweight division? Probably not, but one could still try first and look what happens and if it sticks or not, mean if there is enough public interest, enough good fighters and enough money to make it work, better then just keep bitching over the weight issues until the judgement day and just keep telling that a weight division above Heavyweight is just crap...

    Because if the humanity were thinking this way, we would still be living in caves and hunting bears and mammuts for breakfast... You have to try something first and then look if it was a good idea or not, you can't think everything out in advance...
     
  2. the_brigand

    the_brigand I'll Eat Her Later... Full Member

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    way to ramble...

    btw, how can someone like Pac hold 7 belts at once? how can he defend his 120 belt when he can't make that weight anymore?
     
  3. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    You could have saved yourself a whole lot of typing if you'd simply realised at the start that you're talking bollocks.

    Marquez didn't have to drop his titles before fighting Mayweather at WW
    Pavlik didn't have to lay down his titles before fighting Hopkins at LHW

    If people drop the titles, it's because they choose to and don't want to fight the mandatories that would be required.
     
  4. Brickhaus

    Brickhaus Packs the house Full Member

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    Someone's more than welcome to hold belts in more than one weight class if they're willing to face all the mandatories in both weight classes, but guys just don't fight that much anymore.
     
  5. Vantage_West

    Vantage_West ヒップホップ·プロデューサー Full Member

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    i dont think it's possible. the abc wnat there belts to have as many champions as possible.

    if you move up in weight for another belt then you HAVE to vacate your old belt...you could prolly go up in wieght, win a title, vacate it, then move back down, win, vacate repeat but the idea of being the best of your division is much more powerful than scamming 2 belts at 2 different weights. also it is more of a circus act if you just shuffle belt to belt.

    the reason hagler, hopkins, monzon are so highley ranked isnt becuase of there great opposition (though it is peppered fight by fight) it's becuase they are undisputed which is a very respectable thing.

    this is why some dont like mayweather. isnt becuase of his skill ability or achivement it's that undisputed king of the realm which he doesnt look for.

    having leonard win 2 weights in 1 fight is bizaar enough for me.
     
  6. marting

    marting Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Easily? Do you have any idea how hard dropping 20 pounds is when you don't much fat to begin with?

    Plus going down and back up and down again would mean delays that would make championship fights even more rare than they are today.
     
  7. Stinky gloves

    Stinky gloves Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    In the lower weights it is hard to find boxer who stay at one weight class
    the whole life. They are growing, getting bigger and finally become fatter.
    The guys at LHW and above ... if they stay healthy they don't need to change classes
    until they regularly knock the McDonald doors. In between it depends on persona.
     
  8. kingsboxing

    kingsboxing New Member Full Member

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    So a fighter can hold belts in differant waights as long as they face the mandatorys in each class? Is that right?
     
  9. Semlin

    Semlin Member Full Member

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    You could have saved yourself lot of embarassing if you'd simply realized that thinking first and writing afterwards would be way better then switching your brain off and writing "bollocks" all over the place...

    You are a perfect example of the guy who on his own would still live in the cave and hunt bears for breakfast... Not able to generate new ideas and not even able to grasp the new ideas other have thought of, but the first of the bunch just writing "bollocks"...
     
  10. Semlin

    Semlin Member Full Member

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    I didn't speak of really LOSING 15-20 pounds of fat, I just said CUTTING 15-20 pounds before the fight. If Paul Williams is said to cut 10-15 pounds before his fights regularly (an he isn't THAT fat guy at all...) I don't see why the Klitschkos couldn't cut 15-20 pounds if needed. And if not, then they would have to compete in Super Heavyweight, maybe even better.

    And I wasn's speaking of going up and down like RJJ up to HW and back down, just of making weight for more then one division - say why couldn't Abraham fight at SMW and still at MW? If he still can make 160 pounds now and for the next fight he could take it easy making only 168 lbs for the SMW fight, next time strain a bit more and make 160 pounds again, so what's the problem? Abraham said he would go back to MW for a fight with Sturm, say he wins Super Six, would he have to vacate his WBA/WBC belts to do this? And if not, suppose he fights Sturm at 160 and wins, thus becoming WBA MW champ, now which belts would he have to vacate? Why shouldn't he stay champ at MW and SMW?
     
  11. David Fanning

    David Fanning Internet Tuff Guy Full Member

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  12. Semlin

    Semlin Member Full Member

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    I don't quite see the logic - an unified champ has 2, 3 or even 4 belts, so he has 2, 3 or even 4 mandatories to face on regular basis instead of just one.

    What is then a big difference if you have to face one mandatory for each of your belts in one weight division, or if you have to face one mandatory for each weight division of one sanctioning body?

    Say Abraham wins Super Six, thus becoming WBC/WBA SMW champ. So he has to defend the belts against two mandatories regularly. Then he goes back to MW and fight Sturm (he said he would go back to MW again for this one fight) than what? He would have to vacate either the MW belt immediately after, or to vacate his SMW belts. Why shouldn't he defend his WBA MW belt against a mandatory now and then and his WBA SMW belt as well? If three belts are too much, he still could vacate WBC SMW belt and remain two division WBA champ.

    I don't see real difference between defending MW and SMW belts for a while and defending 2 SMW belts for a while. Abraham walks around at way more then 168 lbs, if he can cut weight down to 160 then it's no strain for him to cut weight only down to 168 now and then...
     
  13. nipplefloss

    nipplefloss Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Your question has already been answered, you just chose not to read it. He can, so long as he continues to fight his mandatory challengers to both belts. Most boxers don't do this because it would require fighting more often than they are accustomed to and because moving back and forth in weight like that is dangerous. Either you're too small at the larger weight, or drained at the smaller weight.
     
  14. boxbox

    boxbox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    2 to 3 max...the mid part being the best weight for you, and the others as either your ripped version, and the other as your bigger version...thats the only way i see this working...
     
  15. VX.Nefarious

    VX.Nefarious Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    how about no weight classes!!! one belt! one undisputed champion