Pavlik MUST leave Youngstown for his own good, Ulli Wegner & Germany would be nice!

this is a completely ridiculous post from a normally very good poster. BigBone, I am astonished that it took you so many words to say nothing.

 

^^ LMFFAAOO

thats ****ING RUDE YET HILARIOUS!

 

He should leave Younstown and leave his trainer there as well. He needs some fresh people in his corner.

 

i was talking about boo radleys post

 

Good idea. Question is if Pavlik could imagine himself living in Germany. Perhaps he could relocate in the US to some place he likes, train by a personal daily plan made by competent professional coaches, and have only his camp in Germany before fights. But I have no idea if the language barrier would be too high between the two, as much of Wegeners "magic" comes from his down-to-earth german slang style that gets into the ears of fighters.

But I think Wegener won't do it unless it's guaranteed his two "sons" don't fight each other then.

 

There are some things that Team Pavlik have mishandled. The Hopkins fight was one. It was obviously a massive risk that they only took because they were looking for a payday as well as to hype a fight with Calzaghe. Understandable, but stupid. Obviously, camp went like a train wreck and Jack Loew massively underestimated Hopkins, clearly didn't do his homework, and expected KP to just walk him down like any other opponent. Not smart.

I think Pavlik's latest injury was probably blunder number 2. How KP contracted the bug in the first place is anybody's guess, and is unlikely down to mismanagement. What I do agree with is that they handled the Williams affair like a juggler on smack, and certainly shouldn't have arranged to fight when they couldn't be even reasonably sure that Pavlik was ready.

Those problems wouldn't have occurred were Pavlik handled by a more professional, experienced team; it's true. But there is a price to pay. Pavlik simply doesn't want to train anywhere else. The guy has lived in Youngstown all his life, has two kids and a wife there, spends half his time at his parents' house up the road and has most of his free time occupied by charity and visits in and around the city. Some people just can't bear to be away from home: they lose motivation and focus. I may be wrong, and Pavlik may adjust handily to a new life, but I doubt it very much, especially considering his current habits.

From a boxing perspective, I'm not sure that there's that much to be gained by going to a different trainer. A HoFer may be more strategically aware than Jack Loew, but they certainly wouldn't get on as well as Loew does with Pavlik. The other thing to consider is that Pavlik isn't a puristic wizard. He does the basics well, comes in behind a strong jab and applies a lot of pressure. That's not something you can teach, particularly, and it's not something that would be that receptive to the kind of complex tactics that some more famous trainers try and impose. Someone who understands a fighter's strengths and weaknesses and can improve them from there rather than trying to change their style, like Freddie Roach, would definitely be good. But most other "great" trainers (like Manny Steward) often try and get their fighters to acquire habits that just don't suit them, without success - JT is a good example, and he's now gone "back to basics" with his training. In summary, there would be very few trainers that would understand Pavlik's style well enough to roll with him rather than trying things that are inappropriate, and the loss in familiarity and comfort caused by Jack Loew would be pretty damaging.

On a side note, the suggestion that he should move to Germany is totally pie-in-the-sky. There are plenty of trainers closer-to-home if he wanted to move. Why he should throw his family life and comfort off a cliff to train half-way across the world in a pretty average gym is utterly beyond me. Suggesting Roach or Brother Nazim I could have understood, but this?

 

i agree,i cant recently remember when a potential superstar career has stagnated so quickly & severely.

 

To sum that up, this would work if and only if Pavlik would be comfortable training somewhere else. I don't think he would be. It's certainly worth thinking about, though.

 

well something needs to change drastically in his career at the minute,maybe this would give him the shot in the arm he needs so to speak

 

And you said MY jokes were lame? BB certainly has to have his blinders on for this post. :yep

 

:good

 

I don't think Pavlik needs a shot-in-the-arm (was that supposed to be a pun?). I think he's had a massive run of bad luck, and his team have made things worse than they needed to be. Things should pick up once his injury is gone. Whether he needs a change is to a large extent separate from what's going on now.

 

Emanuel Steward works great with tall offensive fighters. Pavlik should definitely look him up. His current trainer is doing nothing for him. All I ever hear him say is "1-2 down the middle Kelly" No other game plan, just the same basic 1-2 in all of his fights.