Tommy Ryan vs Sugar Ray Robinson

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Most excellent. I'll dig out a fight report for the Green-Ryan title fight tomorrow and chuck up some highlights in this thread....why no Ryan-Walcott fight Janitor, do you think?


    Biolermaker, i'm getting the horrible feeling you may be closer to right than I am on this subject, though I still insist you overate his win over Dempsey.
     
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  2. janitor

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    This acount of one of Frank Craigs bouts talks about interest in matching him with Fitzsimmons.

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    janitor, Oct 29, 2009
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  3. janitor

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    There is quite a paper trail of "he said she said" on that one, like with the proposed Dempsey Wills bout.

    Also, as with the proposed Dempsey Wills bout, a fight was scheduled but never took place.

    It is getting late now and I need my beauty sleep, but tomorrow I will dig out some articles.
     
    janitor, Oct 29, 2009
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  4. McGrain

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    Ace. And a prediction, please.
     
    McGrain, Oct 29, 2009
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  5. janitor

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    My hunch is that Ryan might have thought better of fighting Walcott who was avoided from welterweight to heavyweight at the time. There are some indications to the contrary though. Damn shame it never took place either way.

    It would be almost impossible to predict a winner. The fight came closest to happening at middleweight. I would merely say that Ryan generaly had a pretier record vs the same opponents while Walcott was matched harder and had a deeper resume.
     
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  6. janitor

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    December 19 1901

    When Joe WAlcott won the welterweight title from Rube Ferns he issued a challenge to Tommy Rtan to defend his middleweight title against him.

    Ryan declined citing that he did not regard Walcott as being in his class.
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    janitor, Oct 30, 2009
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  7. janitor

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    The Walcott Green fight took place on August 27 1897.

    In September 09 of that year Walcott issued challenges to Kid McCoy and Tommy Ryan.
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    janitor, Oct 30, 2009
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  8. McGrain

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    So we know that green - listed as having had only something like 10 fights on boxrec - was highly regarded by his contemporaries, here are some snippets of his title fight with Ryan which seems to indicate the two were near matched for skills and it was Ryan's superior athleticism, smarts and conditioning that won the day.

    "It took Ryan 18 rounds to dispose of Green tonight...it was an exhibition of beautiful boxing...the advantage alternated until the 13th round when Ryan's superior stamina began to tell. He was the most effective at close range from that pointon and his left jabs on the face and shortarm right-hand blows to the body took the life out of [Green]...Ryan's superior ring generalship helped him to win the fight. He allowed Green to tire himself out early on [a sign of many of the great pre-B Leonard lightweights I think, you had to be good and special to box safe under these conditions for long enough for it to take it's toll on your man without suffering heavy punishment] and came with a rush at the finish.

    "Green put up a game fight. He is a first class and clever man.""

    Ryan also complained of having been unwell the day before this fight.

    Green comes across as aggressive, clever and quick.
     
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  9. janitor

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    You might find this interesting.
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    janitor, Oct 30, 2009
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  10. McGrain

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    Very interesting, thank you. A puncher too? Well well. Bet Choynski enjoyed that one.
     
    McGrain, Oct 30, 2009
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  11. flamengo

    flamengo Coool as a Cucumber. Full Member

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    Tommy Ryan?? Watching the filmed interview with him from 1927.... he seems a very muddled old man. Great record none the less.
     
    flamengo, Oct 30, 2009
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  12. GPater11093

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    excellant thread going to have to take another look at Tommy Ryan
     
    GPater11093, Oct 30, 2009
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  13. Boilermaker

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    What did he say in the filmed interview?
     
    Boilermaker, Oct 30, 2009
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  14. janitor

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    January 22 1895, Atempts to make a match between Walcott and Ryan.
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    janitor, Nov 1, 2009
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