jack johnson vs wladimir klitschko

you need more than a jab to beat johnson, johnson beats wlad in a UD

 

Under modern (post-40's) boxing rules, i don't see Johnson winning even if he's the greater boxer. He never had to deal with much jabs, combination punching or outside work from his opponents, not to mention that 90% of his opponents scaled below 200lbs. Wlad has one of the best jabs AND right hands in history and has always been as a fish in the water against smaller, defensive boxers without top end power, which is what Johnson is.

 

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Not quite, even though I agree with him. Good post Pontius, I'm picking Wlad myself. I just want to offer up something on Johnson's behalf.

Jack Johnson spotted Joe Louis' vulnerability a couple years before Schmeling took advantage of that opening. Johnson was actually training, and trying to get a shot at the then contender Louis.

Johnson may see that Wlad is somewhat vulnerable to an attack down the middle. Corrie Sander's straight left was something Wlad had no answer for. I still think that Wlad is vulnerable to a similar attack.

Johnson would have been 36 years old when Louis was born. I think Johnson may have had the right idea, but be physically incapable of executing his plan. I feel this may also be true against Wlad. Johnson would probably see the opening, but be too small to take advantage.

Jack Johnson was able to outbox the much larger Willard on his way to being stopped in the 26th round, a month before turning 37. I can't rule him out entirely.

 

A diiferent type of Giant is Vlad..Great condition a monster like Jab which did not exsist in Johnsons day and a right hand left hook when he decides to let it go....Jonson on the recieving end of Vlads jab until Vlad drops the Boom

 

This is a terrible style matchup for Johnson. You need offense, pressure, or at least some sort of speed/attack to combat and beat Wlad. Johnson would probably get Koed toward the late stages of the fight.

 

Just a question Chris,Boxrec has 19 weights listed for Johnson's opponents,10 are below 200lbs and 9 are over ,have you got more info to make the claim that "90% of Johnson's opponents were under 200lbs".?

 

Well Chris?

 

Johnson is often criticised for fighting smaller fighters but he probably beat more top fighters over 200 lbs than any champion before the 70s. His career is esentialy one that turned on wins over 200lb+ fighters like Martin, McVean and Jeffries.

It is particularly worth noting that he beat some defensive fighters who were taller and rangier than him.

 

Of those 9 above 200lbs, 6 are journeymen or less that he faced when he was far past his best himself.

The other 3 are:

Jeffries (shot)
Moran (journeyman)
Ross (journeyman)


Not exactly a strong case.

 

I would say Moran is a grade above most of Wlads opposition,and likely Ross too.
I take it you concede the technical argument that 90% of Johnson's opponents were not under 200lbs?
Though what that means exactly, I am not sure, for example ,Jeffries only fought ONE man of 200lbs[Ruhlin] until his aborative comeback against Johnson.

 

Why would you as a student of the era think that either Moran or Ross was a journeyman?

 

We'll never know the real number, but most of Johnson's opponents were smaller than him and below 200 or 210lbs. Wlad doesn't have that luxury. Wlad was blasted out by Sanders, a limited, but hard hitting super heavyweight. Johnson was blasted out by Choynski, a hard hitting super middleweight.

And as such, Jeffries is just as, or probably even more unproven against 200+lbs heavyweights that are actually capable fighters, and not the Ed Dunkhorsts of the world.


As for Moran, a man who nearly lost as many as he won, sorry but he is a level below Wlad's opposition, unless you're talking about the guys he faced during his first years.