Alex Stewart vs. Evander Holyfield

Name one that he actually defeated. If losing efforts are what you're giving out awards for, then I guess Everett Martin was better than both....

 

Why don't you tell everyone who Stewart's best win was against?

 

Exactly.

Stewart brings to mind that great Mickey Duff quote about a similar caliber guy Pierre Coetzer. " I love Pierre Coetzer as a fighter. He fights just good enough to lose".

That golden nugget applies to a lot of guys---I just wish Mickey had said it 30 years earlier.

 

Unforgiven.

You say Holyfield was a heavyweight for real in in 89 because he weighed near what Ali weighed v Liston?

There was no Crusierweight division in Ali's time. A 22 year old Ali at 6'3" 210 pounds, 82 inch reach was not a blown up Crusierweight or considered blown up.

Was Bert Cooper considered a Heavyweight for real in 1991 when he fought Evander despite weighing 215 in their bout? (Cooper was heavier). No, he was a blown up Crusierweight, who was destroyed by genuine heavyweights like Foreman (2 rounds) and Bowe (2 rounds) but troubled blown up guys like Evander and Moorer.

Evander won his first titles at 190, he later became a gym rat with roids or whatever to get to 210-215. He weighed 205 v Bowe in 1992, he weighed 209 v Bobby Cysz in 1996. Evander needed all this modern nutriton to become a Heavyweight, while Ali weighed more than a Crusierweight when he turned pro at 18. The heaviest Evander weighed prior to 1997 was 217 in bowe II in 1993 after intensive training and protein shakes galore. Even today at 46 he still weighs under 217.

 

Thats the point, like Briggs, NOONE!!

 

Briggs has better wins than Stewart

 

Possibly, but hardly anything to set them leagues apart.

 

They are not leagues apart, but as i have already stated, Briggs has better wins than Stewart ain't no 2, 3 ways about it.

 

Well thats been my point all along, your first sentence. They were comparable type fighters.

 

Who gives a **** how he got to 210 pounds, he was a strong 210 hard lean pounds.
Yeah, call him a "blown up cruiser" if you like. Razor Ruddock started out as a cruiserweight too.
Bert Cooper fought almost every fight he had over the old cruiser limit of 190 pounds, and mostly over 195 too, and was rated as a heavyweight AND a cruiserweight early in his career. His big victory over Willie DeWit he was in-shape at 209. He weights correspond quite closely with Ali's career weights !

Actually, Ali was considered a "blown-up" light-heavyweight by many commentators early in his career, up to and including the Liston fights. I've read enough old articles to know this.
Obviously, the more sensible people saw a solid strong 208 pound heavyweight and accepted that for what it is ! :deal

 

Thread closed.

 

Thread closed. It least it has some factual analysis behind it.

 

Stewart beat no one of note. Unless you count Foreman !
Briggs beat no one of note. Unless you count Foreman !

 

Unforgiven.

Do not compare a 209 Ali to a 209 Bert cooper. I don't know why you even brought up Ali in the first place to validate Evander's artificial weight gain.

Ali is bigger than Cooper. Holmes weighed 209 when he fought Norton, so what, both were lean at that weight while Cooper looked better as Crusierweight physically.

Evander was a blown-up Crusierweight in 1989 despite what he weighed. You say Ruddock started at Crusierweight too, but Ruddock is bigger than Evander to fill out without the artifical weight training.

David Haye weighed 215 v Barrett, and has had only a couple of Heavyweight bouts, so i guess because his weight is the same as Ali's means he is not a blown-up Crusierweight, who was world champion at Crusierweight.

 

Its so ridiculous its getting funny.