All time top 20 lists?

Don't mind RedRooster, the man has no credibility when it comes to Leonard.

 

Of course not. It's just plain old rooster.

 

ok good haha....it seemed like all three of u were bashing him. i was confused for a second there

 

1.Sam Langford
2.Ray Robinson
3.Harry Greb
4.Henry Armstrong
5.Ezzard Charles
6.Roberto Duran
7.Muhammad Ali
8.Mickey Walker
9.Benny Leonard
10.Bob Fitzsimmons
11.Barney Ross
12.Willie Pep
13.Archie Moore
14.Ray Leonard
15.Carlos Monzon
16.Charley Burley
17.Pernell Whitaker
18.Joe Gans
19.Emile Griffith
20.Joe Louis

I don't have a definitive personal list, so I'm not too hung up on arguing over individual placings. This is off the top of my head and seems right as of just now.

 

Clean forgot about Barbados Joe. I'd have him in at 10 ahead of Fitzsimmons, with the Brown Bomber dropping out.

 

Tommy Ryan might have a good claim to be on some lists.

 

I wouldn't put him that high, if I'm honest. I don't have a specific range in mind for him, though. He'd make a top 45/50 no doubt. He just wouldn't crack my top 25 range.

 

That's not surprising - there's a lot of candidates for those 15 to 30 slots.

 

You could argue ryan a place? but not dempsey, lamotta or johnson?atsch

 

you have charles ahead of ali?? bob fitz ahead of joe louis?? Langford ahead of ray and hank? that list could be the worst i have seen so far

 

I had Saddler at 22nd. I could easily see someone having him 15-20 though. My own feeling is that he is a 20-30 man closer alongside the likes of Canzoneri and Arguello than the 10-20 range of Burley and Leonard.