Sumbu Kalambay - Underrated?

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  1. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    I think so. Beat undefeated prime Herol Graham, and then undefeated prime Mike McCullum. In addition, he holds another win over Graham and Collins. Seems to be most remembered for being sparked out by the man in my avatar, but I think Kalambay deserves recognition as one of the best Middleweights of the 1980s. I've not seen a great deal of him, only what's on youtube. What were his strengths?
     
  2. Tin_Ribs

    Tin_Ribs Me Full Member

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    He's massively underrated, one of the greatest of all pure boxers at middleweight and above IMO. Wonderful technician, superior to Nunn in that respect even if he did get blown out flukily. He also schooled Barkley and DeWitt, was on the end of a pretty harsh decison against Kalule and arguably won the rematch against McCallum even while on the slide. On the downside, he could be too defensive and self-aware of his own slickness at times. Still, his lateral movement, punching technique, ability to feint and pick holes, radar and ring generalship were superb. I always thought he would have beaten Benn, Eubank, Watson, Toney and Hopkins.

    Sweet Pea might weigh in on this one; he's probably the best poster I've read on here concerning Kalambay.
     
  3. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    For sure. He was truly "slick" and one of the best counter punchers I've seen. Unfortunately he is mostly known for the first round KO loss to Nunn.

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  4. Tin_Ribs

    Tin_Ribs Me Full Member

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  5. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Very classy and smooth boxer/technician with quick hands and feet.

    I don't think he ever fully regained his form after being KO'd by Nunn, but he still gave McCallum a very close, hard fight in their rematch and also whupped an up-and-coming Steve Collins.
     
  6. Tin_Ribs

    Tin_Ribs Me Full Member

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    His record isn't at all bad when you look at it:

    McCallum (arguably twice)
    Graham x2
    Collins
    Barkley
    DeWitt
    Simms

    DeMarco and Dell'Aquilla were undefeated at the time he beat them too. Throw in that he could/should have beaten Kalule and that's not a bad record.
     
  7. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    His schooling of McCallum the first time would have to be one of the best wins of that era, in terms of both performance and legacy.

    He would have to be one of the most underrated boxers of the last 30 years...Very classy boxer and one of the best technicians you will see above welter.
     
  8. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Superb,slick fighter. One of the best Middleweights I've seen. That knockout to Nunn was a massive shock.
     
  9. Unforgiven

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    He's underrated in comparison to some of his contemporaries - for example, McCallum who he schooled.

    Kalambay scored a massive upset against Herol Graham then built on that, decisioning Barkley for one of the three vacated belts, and established himself as the most worthy of the three new "champions", as highly-touted Americans such as Olajide and Tate fell by the wayside, and Hearns lost to the same Barkley Kalambay had beat. Win over McCallum was excellent.

    He lost the big unification fight though, and all credit to Michael Nunn for that.

    I think Kalambay is underrated, but I think it's also a case of some of his contemporaries being a bit overrated.
     
  10. Mantequilla

    Mantequilla Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That's a good last point Unforgiven, maybe not so quite much for Nunn, but definitely as far as McCallum and Toney go.Both fighters with very visible reputations and loads of fans...in Mike's case barely any real detractors either.I suppose it's a bit like Valdez going overlooked for so compared to slightly earlier middles like Benvenuti and Griffith.

    Just a few observations....

    The fight with Kalule is one of the best middleweight bouts of the '80s.Well worth tracking down and a great fight to score.Kalambay actually fights a lot of it in more of a traditional boxing style, almost like a Johnny Famechon\Buchanan hybrid at times, which wasn't easy in the very small, poor quality rings they were often using in Italy at the time.I wonder if not getting the decision there, prompted the change in style to the defensive specialist\counterpuncher that shows up from the graham fight and on.

    The collins fight is my favourite performance.After looking badly faded in his previous few fights, he managed to regain some sharpness defensively and at times totaly befuddled Collins, even rocking him with bodyshots and uppercuts a few times.I only gave Collins 3 rounds, despite having thrown about four times as many punches.
     
  11. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Kalambay sounds like my kinda fighter better check him out
     
  12. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I think a fair case can be made for him being underrated. He had a better career than several men I think of who's name are more commonly mentioned.
     
  13. Boro chris

    Boro chris Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Also throw in Jose Quiones and Buster Drayton at the start of their careers and I'd certainly rank him p4p over a Calzaghe any day. (and I'm a fairly big Calzaghe fan)
     
  14. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    and you forgot barkley , and the loss to kalule which i don't know how justified it was b/c kalule was down twice and kalambay only once.
    and yes - he was a top 10 mw of the 80's.
    hagler , leonard , duran , jackson , barkley , kalambay , and some that don't jump to my mind at this moment which may exclude barkley from the list.
     
  15. faisal

    faisal Hoolios daddy Full Member

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    would u give him a shot at a prime hagler
    and do u really think he'd beat prime toney at 160