Manny Pacquiao: Has he really moved up and fought the best as fans say?

The fighter of the decade can either be Hopkins, Pac, Mosley or even Cotto depending on who you ask

 

Partaxian ****ing owned this thread and made the TS look like the moron he is.

 

My knowledge would embarrass yours.

You can get all hot and bothered, and keep loading up on emoticons like a stupid baby, but the fact is that 90% of neutrals accept that Pacquiao's resume is clearly better. End of story.

PS: Mayweather "decisively" defeated Castillo? Watch both fights again - this time without your hand stuffed down your panties.

 

Agreed for the most part, but I'm not counting 147 unless he beats Cotto.

 

Who the hell has Mayweather fought at welterweight to consider him the best at the division? Exactly nobody! Carlos Quintana has faced better opponents at welterweight than Mayweather. What are you smoking? Mayweather is not even top 3

 

You are %100 correct. But you will never get a ******* to understand that while good his resume is overrated big time. I have seen this scenario time and time again. One fighter is seen as being on a hot streak because he looks great do to perfect match making. The other fighter is seen to be on the slide because he has had tough fights with the elite of his division. But when the two meet its a one sided fight in favor of the guy who has been fighting the best. Judah said it right yesterday on talk radio. "Cotto gonna give Pac something he ain't never seen before".

 

The Belt!!!!:happy

 

wether he beats him or not, he still fought him

 

you can only fight the best in you division and he has done this 4 times, possibly 5 with cotto, whichever way you take the marg loss. so i would say he has fought the best and deserves the hype around him.

 

i also think pacquiao's resume is way overrated considering he fought great fighters who were past their primes and at the tail end of their careers. a half shot morales beats up on pacquiao. marquez gives pacquiao two nice boxing lessons etc...on paper, pacquiao's resume looks impressive but when you closely analysis it closely, it has holes all over!

beating david diaz.....big deal!

beating a washed up/extremely weight drained oscar....big deal!

beating hatton....nice win. gotta give him that!

mayweather NEVER made anybody fight at a catchweight. he rarely fought anybody who was a shot fighter. unlike pacquiao who is today's version of the ultimate prima donna who insists on fighting shot, out of prime fighters and makes his opponents come in weight drained. atsch

 

you can always nitpick a career, you can do that with anyfighter out there, but you can only beat the people in front of you. he foguht the best in every division.

 

Its funny to see how u crazy people are. Pac is so ****in overrated.

 

Time to get owned. From your statements it's clear you didn't watch boxing at the time, or if you did, only watched Roy Jones fight subpar competition at that stage in his career when after moving up to 175 to fight Griffin and Hill got too comfortable taking HBO's money and fighting guys with great records but no real substance. Oh, and so you can go draw a timeline, that's 1998-2003 (until he fought Ruiz at heavy, a true challenge). I'll estimate you were about 11-12 years old at the time. Go get a crayon.

To show you a parallel and how time works, Pacquiao was 19 years old when he fought at 112 in 1998, the same year Jones fought Virgil Hill in what should've been the prime of Roy's career. He defeated Sasakul, who the LINEAR champion and held a win over Yuri Arbachakov, who was arguably the #1 or #2 flyweight in the world based on Ring Magazine. For you to imply that Sasakul was a bum says it all. At flyweight he fought the best available.

Then three years later in JUNE 2001 he moved up to 122 and in his first fight in America, destroyed IBF champ Lehlo Ledwaba, who had reached a peak of #6 at one point in USA Today's Super Six P4P list (Dan Rafael's old newspaper before he moved on to ESPN) and was consensus Top 15.

Here's where you get exposed like the idiot you are. You say Vazquez was rated higher than Ledwaba so Pac avoided him.

BUT at the time Pac KO'd him, LL had defended his belt FIVE TIMES, and VAZQUEZ hadn't even fought for a world title yet!!! And yet you argue he was rated higher than Ledwaba? Israel is a hell of a fighter and person, but at the time he was an unknown...and get this...PACQUIAO'S SPARMATE FOR LEDWABA. How do I know this? Because I SAW THEM SPAR AT THE WILD CARD DURING THAT TIME!!! :rofl

I'm not done with you yet. You bring up Ayala, which seems on the surface to be a valid argument, but again, you probably weren't really watching boxing at the time, so it's ok. Ayala had fought at 118 and a catchweight ABOVE 122 when he fought Tapia twice. Talks had begun with Pacquiao's handler, Murad Muhammad in 2001, but instead of fighting Manny immediately after his first fight with Bones Adams, which was proposed, Ayala CHOSE to give Adams a rematch instead because he had only won by SD.

Then by the time Ayala was done, did he pursue the Pac fight? NO, he moved up to fight Erik Morales instead for more money and the WBC featherweight title, which again, if you ever followed boxing, would understand that Pac was still an unknown compared to Morales who had a huge following and was P4P by then.

Meanwhile, Manny stayed at 122 and tried to unify with Agapito Sanchez's WBO belt, arguably the #2 super bantam at the time. So fighting Ledwaba and Sanchez constituted fighting the best available. Larios was the other option and there is one fighter I can say no serious talks ever had been made. But they ended up fighting anyway albeit later.

Then for you to say he didn't fight the best at 126 or 130 because they were past prime, you're a moron. Barrera was the champ by virtue of beating Hamed, and he lost. He was the BEST FEATHERWEIGHT in the world at the time. Oh yeah, Barrera won 2 belts at 130 AFTER getting destroyed by Pac, so there goes your "washed up" argument. And unlike RJJ never fighting Daruisz Michalczewski, the only challenge left at 175 aside from Tarver, Pac fought Marquez and even gave him a second chance at 130. More than I can say for Roy. Then throw in HOF Morales, whom he split the first 2 with and fought the third (the third is the only fight I feel he was truly shot) because Morales had shown him the respect to give Manny a rematch after the first fight. He didn't fight the best at 126-130? STFU.

I don't think anyone on this board would argue that he fought the best at 135. I sure don't. But if you're gonna sit here and tell me he was unjustified in fighting Oscar De La Hoya for the biggest payday of his career while still having the burden of moving up TWELVE POUNDS and TWO WEIGHT CLASSES.

140 you at least acknowledged Pac fighting the best, but you only did that because you wanted to look half-******ed, and not expose the fully empty cavity you call a skull.

You won't give credit for 147 unless he beats Cotto, or whatever your nonsensical argument is.

Oh, and for the record, Cotto will be the 12th World Champ Pac has fought (he has beaten 10 so far).

Wow, that was easy. Now go formulate another stupid angle to attack Pacquiao's resume, because this one is officially dead. :hi:

 

Is there any smell better than the sweet sweet scent of complete ownage of a ******ed attention-***** thread-starter?????



I think not. :good

 

Now here's a pac fan with proper knowledge of his resume. Pac haters, if you wanna get educated to make threads, just pm this guy.