Who has the BEST RESUME of the past 20 years?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by horst, Nov 4, 2009.


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  1. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yey but this poll is the last 20 years. 6years doesnt come close to any of the fighters on this list. Morales and Barrera have a way better resume and they dont even have any votes!
     
    anarci, Nov 4, 2009
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  2. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    Sure, I actually had it a draw, and I'll admit, I tried to find reasons to score it for DLH.

    But if you notice, I could have easily added Trinidad and Mosley II to that list, but I didn't.

    So I'll make the proper adjustments, and add a couple that I forgot. :good

    Rafael Ruelas
    John John Molina
    Ike Quartey
    Pernell Whitaker
    Julio Cesar Chavez X2
    Fernando Vargas
    Pernell Whitaker
    Ricardo Mayorga
    Hector Camacho
    Yori Boy Campas
    Jesse James Leija
    Jorge Paez
    Oba Carr
    Javier Castillejo
    Tito Trinidad
    Shane Mosley II
    Miguel Angel Gonzalez
    Genaro Hernandez

    There I removed Sturm for your sake, added Trinidad and Mosley II because we can't have DOUBLE STANDARDS, and also added Gonzalez and Hernandez whom I forgot to add the first time.

    Wow, his resume now looks even better! Thanks for the heads up! :good
     
    IsaL, Nov 4, 2009
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  3. Asterion

    Asterion Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    De la Hoya and Holyfield (wins and losses included).

    Pacquiao (just wins).
     
    Asterion, Nov 4, 2009
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  4. NoCoolFool?

    NoCoolFool? Active Member Full Member

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    Exactly!!!!
    As fans, we shouldn't punish fighters for taking risks! Oscar lost to the very best and he beat some of the very best. No shame there.
     
    NoCoolFool?, Nov 4, 2009
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  5. horst

    horst Guest

    I haven't heard much of a case mounted for WHITAKER or BARRERA yet. I think both of these guys are very live contenders in this poll. Anyone agree or disagree?

    Barrera: Two wins over Morales, a win over Hamed, and a host of other very solid wins over a good period of time

    Whitaker: Unbeaten through his prime (excluding that joke of a decision in the first Ramirez fight), wins over ATGs in Chavez and Nelson, and very good wins over the likes of McGirt (underrated welter), Ramirez, Haugen, etc - also a win over peak Oscar, depending on your scoring
     
    horst, Nov 4, 2009
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  6. AdiC

    AdiC Chillin' Like A Villain Full Member

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    So let me get this straight.... I Fighter lets say fight 20 Great and maybe HOF fighters and loses 17 of them. Because he takes the risk we should not punish that boxer.:huh
     
    AdiC, Nov 4, 2009
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  7. horst

    horst Guest

    Something else which has not really been discussed (except with reference to Oscar) is how individual scorings can affect peoples' view of resume.

    For instance, Whitaker lost to Oscar and Toney lost the first fight with Sam Peter, going by the official scores.

    But if you scored either fight the other way and have a strong feeling that you are right and the official decision was wrong, then that can have a huge impact on the value of the resume.

    Whitaker and Toney both have strong resumes IMO, considering the eras they fought in, but consider these as additions:

    - while past-prime and 2 weights above his natural, Whitaker takes the zero of one of the best young fighters in the world

    - while years past-prime and clearly overweight, former middleweight champ Toney goes toe-to-toe with the consensus number 2 in the heavyweight division and wins


    If you scored these fights this way, these two resumes are in severe contention too.
     
    horst, Nov 4, 2009
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  8. horst

    horst Guest

    Lets just close the forum down then. Great post.
     
    horst, Nov 4, 2009
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  9. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    This doesn't make sense. Why won't you count Pac's losses, he's not undefeated, and he also hasn't faced fighters who are better than the ones DLH faced.

    The difference between DLH and Pac is that DLH lost to some great fighters while Pac lost to a shot fighter and a couple of bums, and DLH fought higher caliber of opposition more consitantly, more often.
     
    IsaL, Nov 4, 2009
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  10. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Whittaker was a great fighter in the 90s but he has not had a significant win over 10 years,also popkins you cant have a double standard and give credit to pernell for wins over Haugen and Ramirez and not include Chavezs wins over ROsario which you made clear at the beginning of this thread. Also i am very adament that the fight with Oscar should not even be mentioned because there is no way he beat Oscar. Pernells best years were really only 1/2 of the 90s so im not sure if he even belongs on this list
     
    anarci, Nov 4, 2009
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  11. horst

    horst Guest

    What difference does this make?? The vast majority of his resume was constructed within the last 20 years. It doesn't matter a jot when his last fight was. I don't think you understand the question.

    If the question was who has had the best resume of the last 50 years, would you rule Ali out because he hasn't had a fight for 30 years??

    Erm, yes I can. Again, I don't think you quite grasp the question. Either that or you can't count up to 20. Whitaker's wins over Haugen and Ramirez were within the last 20 years, Chavez's win over Rosario was not. Simple (or it should have been).

    But as I said, anyone who wants to vote Chavez can click Other, and state their choice as a post. I don't view JCC as a valid choice therefore I didn't include him in my poll, but I left the option to vote for him if people wished to do so.

    Even if he was included, he wouldn't win anyway, he definitely doesn't have the best resume of all the fighters listed.

    Many people think Pernell beat Oscar. There is a whole thread dedicated to it in the Classic right now.

    All of Pernell's best years are included in the time frame except 1988, we are only missing 1 of his prime years by going back 20. Within the 20-year time period, we have his wins over Nelson, Chavez, McGirt(2), Haugen, Ramirez, Vasquez, and (if you scored it that way) Oscar.

    I think you need to do a little revision on Pea's career.
     
    horst, Nov 4, 2009
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  12. macho0208

    macho0208 Aspira Boxing Gym Full Member

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    ok I will say Oscar, but a good mention is Trinidad wins over
    Yori Boy Campas
    David Reid
    William Joppy
    Oscar De La Hoya
    Fernando Vargas
    Pernell Whittiker
    Hector Camacho
    Ricardo Mayorga
    Also tito has beat guys before delahoya ever got to them and was declared the best welterweight in a long time plus fights with Bernard Hopkins, Winky Wright, Roy Jones. the guy is amazing but as resumes gotta be Lennox Lewis or Holyfield
     
    macho0208, Nov 4, 2009
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  13. Jeff M

    Jeff M Future ESB HOF Full Member

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    Just off the top of my head these fighters stand out:

    Shane Mosley
    Bernard Hopkins
    Jermain Taylor
    Oscar De La Hoya

    After a few more fights, Miguel Cotto could be pretty high up.
     
    Jeff M, Nov 4, 2009
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  14. bladerunner

    bladerunner El Intocable Full Member

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    Jermain Taylor :patsch:patsch:patsch

    And you still wonder why people think you0re a clown.
     
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  15. Jeff M

    Jeff M Future ESB HOF Full Member

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    He doesn not have a good resume? If you think that, you're even dumber than I thought.:patsch

    Hopkins x2
    Winky Wright
    Carl Froch
    Kelly Pavlik x2
    Arthur Abraham
     
    Jeff M, Nov 4, 2009
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