Pacquiao gets too much credit? BULLCRAP!

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by mrtony80, Nov 5, 2009.

  1. mrtony80

    mrtony80 Likes thick chicks Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2009
    Messages:
    8,114
    Likes Received:
    391
    Barrera - Pacquiao was born after and came into the spotlight way after Barrera. Not Pac's fault. In the first fight, Barrera was just 2 years and 4 fights removed from moping the floor with Naseem Hamed. In the second, Barrera had just come off fighting a very competitive fight with JMM...a fight in which he dropped JMM, but got no credit for it.

    Morales - I'll give you this one - Morales may have been a bit past his prime the second and third times he fought Pac, but Pac still deserves credit for those wins simply because he was avenging a previous loss, and the second time he won, he made Morales - the warrior - QUIT! Plus, wasn't he the only guy to ever drop Morales? Pacquiao twice knocked out a guy who had never even been knocked down.

    Marquez - Marquez has Pac's number, no denying that. But as much as he may have the man's number, why couldn't he prevent himself from being knocked down 4 times? Was that all 4 lucky shots that put him down?

    Diaz - Pac gets credit for this because he had moved up in weight. Any fighter who moves up and pole-axes as guy who is more accustomed to the weight deserves some praise.

    De La Hoya - Before the fight, people thought De La Hoya was just too big an experienced. Nobody was giving Pacquiao a chance, but when Pac won in spectacular fashion, all the sudden, De La Hoya was old...weight drained...is that Pacquiao's fault? No. De La Hoya called him out. Oscar wanted to take advantage of Pacquiao's rising star status, and it bew up in his face. De La Hoya couldn't punch back because he was overwhelmed by Pacquiao's speed. What does being old or weight drained have to do with not punching someone back? And a old fighter can't beat a younger, fresher - prime fighter? Tell that to Bernard Hopkins and Kelly Pavlik. And regarding the "Pacquiao couldn't drop a old Oscar" thing? So what? Oscar has always had a great chin. Keep in mind that Spinks, Holmes, and Berbick couldn't drop an Ali, who at that point was way more shot than De La Hoya could have been facing Pac.

    Hatton - Hatton did an okay job for the first half of his fight with Mayweather, and was coming off a huge and convincing win over Paulie Malagnaggi. Nobody was calling him overrated prior to that. Hatton was terrified of Pac, you can tell by the look on his face during his walk to the ring. All you have to do is watch old Tyson fights to see what being scared of the other guy does to a fighter's psyche. He thought his best bet was to slug it out, and Pacquiao put them hands on him. As good as Mayweather is, he didn't hit Hatton that cleanly so early in the fight, he didn't drop him three times, and he didn't knock him out cold with a single shot. If you watch the knockout punch closely, you'll see that it was pure skill on Pac's part, not a case of luck or Hatton's defense. Are you telling me Hatton never gave Mayweather an opportunity to land a shot like that early in their fight?

    With all that said - PACQUIAO IS GONNA
    This content is protected
    COTTO UP!
     
  2. tay sachs

    tay sachs lysosomal Full Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2009
    Messages:
    154
    Likes Received:
    0

    and you said before the fight hoya would obliterate pac :lol::lol:

    PLEASE DIE :yep
     
  3. tay sachs

    tay sachs lysosomal Full Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2009
    Messages:
    154
    Likes Received:
    0

    i second the emotion ^^ :thumbsup
     
  4. mrtony80

    mrtony80 Likes thick chicks Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2009
    Messages:
    8,114
    Likes Received:
    391
    Um...I'm black. And yes, Pacquiao could beat a prime Oscar.
     
  5. gooners!!

    gooners!! Boxing Junkie banned

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2009
    Messages:
    10,166
    Likes Received:
    1
    DLH that fought Mosley would destroy Manny.
     
  6. Riveraboxing

    Riveraboxing Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2008
    Messages:
    168
    Likes Received:
    0
    With the exception of what I underlined I must say that I completely agree with what u wrote... People make such a big deal over Marquez being dropped 4 times over two fights. KDs don't win fights... Though I might add it was 2 great fights between them and Manny sure improved alot over their 1st. Oscar was a old, past his prime fighter whose weight troubles were known before the fight. Roach even said before the fight Manny coundn't take a prime Oscar.. Other then that great post..
     
  7. LukeO

    LukeO Erik Morales is God Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2007
    Messages:
    37,866
    Likes Received:
    45
    People who have pictures of Pacquiao under their name shouldn't be expected to write an objective assessment of his career.
     
  8. Riveraboxing

    Riveraboxing Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2008
    Messages:
    168
    Likes Received:
    0
    Whats the big deal? He made arguable points
     
  9. BoppaZoo

    BoppaZoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2007
    Messages:
    8,407
    Likes Received:
    4
    Of course he would Gooners you idiot he was younger and come fight night 158 pounds.
     
  10. gooners!!

    gooners!! Boxing Junkie banned

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2009
    Messages:
    10,166
    Likes Received:
    1
    What you calling me an idiot for? i know its commonsense but im not the one who said "Um...I'm black. And yes, Pacquiao could beat a prime Oscar"

    Im just clarifying what most know and what this guy refutes.
     
  11. tay sachs

    tay sachs lysosomal Full Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2009
    Messages:
    154
    Likes Received:
    0
    and since when the prime oscar beat an elite fighter??
     
  12. gooners!!

    gooners!! Boxing Junkie banned

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2009
    Messages:
    10,166
    Likes Received:
    1
    That is irrelevant isn't it? i dont want to go back and fourth about whether he really! beat Whitaker or this guy that guy, but tell me, do you also think Pac beats a prime DLH?
     
  13. edgel21

    edgel21 New Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2009
    Messages:
    56
    Likes Received:
    0
    He already said he ain't Filipino you dumb ****.
     
  14. 02bash

    02bash Well-Known Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2008
    Messages:
    1,602
    Likes Received:
    0
    lol :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl
     
  15. BIGMAKK1005

    BIGMAKK1005 Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2009
    Messages:
    255
    Likes Received:
    0
    Wao here we go again with this crap. So many threads with the same thing people we all know what manny hasdone and what he hasnt. Yes he has beaten a lot of fighters in good fights while each one lasted, big names in their prime or not he beat them get over it. With that said cotto is a totally different guy we cant compare anything in boxing because while they can have similar or identical styles in boxing, boxers all of them have something that separates them from the rest and thats their character in thering their instincts in the ring their nature in the ring. Thats what separates them so yes he beat them and yes cotto beat some others too, yes manny started in 106 , who cares their fighting in 145 now let the past be the past while we enjoy it it already happened. On nov 14 well see what happens.
    I for one im picking cotto late stoppage